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Justice Kennedy announces his retirement from SCOTUS

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    I anticipate trump will do a pre-preemptive strike. He will state that any effort to block confirmation will result in severe retaliatory action

    Hypothetical Examples of trump threats:

    • Cut all college loan funding in half, and\or double the interest rate.
    • Double Existing Tariffs, add new ones, 100% block importing\exporting of specific products.
    • Deport all DACA to gitmo
    • Allow Russia access to classified CIA and military information
    • Shutdown Muller investigation personally and have all evidence\reports\etc destroyed.
    • Decide to allow NK to keep their nucuclear weapons.
    • Approve the use chemical weapons both in the military and domestically.
    • Reinstate Waterboarding and the the outright use of torture


    Once Democrats start the blocking process, he will start taking action on his threats by targeting the highly valued democratic and america policies\agreements\etc. These targets will likely also upset his base, but trump knows his base will stay with him because 1) they have no better choice 2) they accept the price that needs to be made to force democrats to back down, even if the base must pay the price too. IMO, trump will to use terrorist like methods to get what he wants, like the terrorist who says "I will kill one hostage per hour, until my demands are met" and he proceeds to exactly that.

    Bottomline: For trump what we consider uncrossable boundaries (ethics, morality, laws, etc) are bargaining chips for him to use against America.

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    wwjd Wrote: Once Democrats start the blocking process, he will start taking action on his threats by targeting the highly valued democratic and america policies\agreements\etc. These targets will likely also upset his base, but trump knows his base will stay with him because 1) they have no better choice 2) they accept the price that needs to be made to force democrats to back down, even if the base must pay the price too. IMO, trump will to use terrorist like methods to get what he wants, like the terrorist who says "I will kill one hostage per hour, until my demands are met" and he proceeds to exactly that.

    There is no blocking process for Democrats. None. Nada. Zero. The only way Donald's nominee can be prevented from being confirmed is if two Republicans vote against whoever the nominee is and every Democrat votes against.

    If every Republican voted for whoever Donald nominates then the nominee is confirmed. If Republicans lose one vote (assuming McCain won't be able to make the trip back to D.C. to cast a vote) and every Democratic Senator votes against the nominee then Pence will cast the tie breaker and the nominee is confirmed. If two Republicans vote against (or one if McCain isn't able to vote) and every Democrat votes against then the nomination fails.

    However, I wouldn't automatically assume that every Democrat is going to vote against Donald's nominee. The Senate map this year (as I've been saying for awhile now) is absolutely abysmal. Red State Democrats may very well vote for whoever Donald nominates just so they won't be punished by their voters.

    We're in a lose-lose-lose-lose-lose-lose-lose (I honestly can not write enough loses) situation right now and we only have ourselves to blame.

    This is why elections matter and protest votes only wind up helping the opposing party. Unfortunately protest votes in 2016 will help the opposing party for a generation or more to come. Thanks, Bernie or busters. I hope it was worth it!

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    Democrats, liberals and progressives, dark days ahead. We're in trouble, big trouble now, only to get worse as time goes on.
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    Dockadams Wrote: Democrats, liberals and progressives, dark days ahead. We're in trouble, big trouble now, only to get worse as time goes on.

    Yep. There's no knight in shining armor that can save us.

    We (or I should say Bernie or busters) dug our own grave. Now we have to lie in it.

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    Jared -- I agree that there is no or minimal blocking process. Chris Matthews went on a rant saying how Democrats must use every trick in the book to slow or stop the process. But Steve Kornacki asked if Democrats in the end can really do anything.

    The answer is no. When Mitch McConnell says they will confirm the new justice in time for him/her to be on the bench when the October 1st session starts, I tend to believe him. Susan Collins will vote with her tribe because whoever Trump nominates that person will never say he/she will vote to overturn Roe v Wade. And there is no one else on the list of 25 that Dems could possibly like. They are all Gorsuch like.

    And even delaying the vote until after the election, may show that Dems have lost seats in the Senate. Republicans are highly energized too and will come out in huge numbers for the election just on this issue. This is a lose, lose, lose, lose....for Democrats and America.

    Elections have consequences.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote: Democrats, liberals and progressives, dark days ahead. We're in trouble, big trouble now, only to get worse as time goes on.

    Yep. There's no knight in shining armor that can save us.

    We (or I should say Bernie or busters) dug our own grave. Now we have to lie in it.

    How long ago I predicted a down hill slope? There are many more factors than Bernie alone; read my mails!
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    wwjd Wrote: Once Democrats start the blocking process, he will start taking action on his threats by targeting the highly valued democratic and america policies\agreements\etc. These targets will likely also upset his base, but trump knows his base will stay with him because 1) they have no better choice 2) they accept the price that needs to be made to force democrats to back down, even if the base must pay the price too. IMO, trump will to use terrorist like methods to get what he wants, like the terrorist who says "I will kill one hostage per hour, until my demands are met" and he proceeds to exactly that.

    There is no blocking process for Democrats. None. Nada. Zero.

    I shall rephrase my intended meaning: When the Democrats do everything they can to hinder, slow down, or completely stop the nomination process prior to the mid terms. Think outside the box, but limited to options that are legal and don't run over innocent people.

    The intent of that prior post was how trump is likely to crack down on unrelated issues as means to put pressure on congress to support his nominee. Think of it like the threat of "Sanctions on America" being imposed for resisting him.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Jared -- I agree that there is no or minimal blocking process. Chris Matthews went on a rant saying how Democrats must use every trick in the book to slow or stop the process. But Steve Kornacki asked if Democrats in the end can really do anything.

    The answer is no. When Mitch McConnell says they will confirm the new justice in time for him/her to be on the bench when the October 1st session starts, I tend to believe him. Susan Collins will vote with her tribe because whoever Trump nominates that person will never say he/she will vote to overturn Roe v Wade. And there is no one else on the list of 25 that Dems could possibly like. They are all Gorsuch like.

    And even delaying the vote until after the election, may show that Dems have lost seats in the Senate. Republicans are highly energized too and will come out in huge numbers for the election just on this issue. This is a lose, lose, lose, lose....for Democrats and America.

    Elections have consequences.

    I am surprised to see you so cynical after only 24 hours. You generally let things play out a bit more.

    Mathews is more-or-less saying that democrats need to get down in the dirt and start play trump's game using the same methods. Do what it takes to win, no matter what. If that means breaking laws, ethics, moral, etc, then so be it; take the win now, deal with consequences later. And like DT, if innocent people get caught in the cross-fire, then democrats need to be willing to sacrifice the innocent because DT frequently throws his allies under the bus after their they no longer have value to him, thus so should democrats who don't get on board with the newage political Warfare. Mathews is suggesting a swing to the fringe left because only the fringe left can defeat DT with all options are on the table. Win like DT, let end result justifies the methods used. ...I personally don't think we should go that far to the left.

    I do like that CM is pissed off and wants to create change.

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    Wwjd - there is literally nothing we can do other than try to convince two Republican Senators to vote no while also convincing red state democrats to do the same.

    I’m not saying we should roll over and play dead, but this isn’t looking good for us...or the country.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    And even delaying the vote until after the election, may show that Dems have lost seats in the Senate. Republicans are highly energized too and will come out in huge numbers for the election just on this issue.

    This is likely to be true; the person nominated as the SCJ would highly energize all voters everywhere. I say "bring it on", let the voters have as much say as possible. Should democrats be afraid of that fight?

    I am confident that DT and republicans would lose because I believe the vast majority of Americans don't want to be live in "Trump World" where winners are those who are most like trump. In "Trump World" Winners are those who take the fullest advantage of others. Where school's teach "Fuck over others first, before they fuck you over", stealing is legal, corruption is the key to success, and A's are given to students that cheat without getting caught. Watch, Bernie Madoff will get a pardon before DT leaves office along with many other scam artists that DT admires (worth billions in total).

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    Wwjd - there is literally nothing we can do other than try to convince two Republican Senators to vote no while also convincing red state democrats to do the same.

    I’m not saying we should roll over and play dead, but this isn’t looking good for us...or the country.

    Thanks. I do understand your point. As you stated, the way the process works (laws, Senate Rules, etc) make it realistically impossible for the democrats to block any SC nomination because Republicans have the majority by two seats (or three counting VP during a tie).

    Until we see who he nominates, its hard to come up with a good game plan. Hard to know what the DT is going to do, until he does it. If he is feeling he can nominate anybody, and that person will be confirmed no matter what that person has said or done in the past, it is likely DT will shock the world and nominate someone who clearly under his control, someone who may not even have law degree. Examples, nominate his sister, Rudy Giuliani, John Kelly, Mike Pense, one of sons, a judge that he has paid off in the past. These are absurd suggestions, but we should never under estimate that he believes he is untouchable, thus whoever he wants to be SCJ, in his mind, will replace Kennedy simply because he said so.

    On the other hand, he may stick to the traditional game plan and nominate a judge with 20-30 years as a conservative judge.

    At this time I'd say trump is leaning toward nominating somebody that is off the scale right wing nuts. Someone that even Republicans find objectionable. Someone that outright says shit like "All abortions are 1st degree murder. Period", has sexual interests in underage girls, and has openly made racist comments.... IMO, DT not only wants a show down with democrats, he want to face off with the Republican controlled US Senate and force them to accept a SC nominee that they find totally unqualified and personally offensive. He wants to serve them shit, and watch them eat it.

    Consider it this way, DT thinks of himself as the reincarnation of Julius Caesar, who is currently just on the other side of the Rubicon river waiting. His grand plan is to turn The American Republic into the American Empire, led solely by him, with all branches of government reporting directly to him; he considers himself above the law because he believes he is the law. ... Some form of this fucked fantasy is being played out in his mind, not in the world of reality. This is why he admires world leaders like Putin and Kim Jung-un, and why he loves reality TV. In reality, DT is a 2018 version of Rupert Pupkin from Martin Scorsese's The King of Comedy.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote: Democrats, liberals and progressives, dark days ahead. We're in trouble, big trouble now, only to get worse as time goes on.

    Yep. There's no knight in shining armor that can save us.

    We (or I should say Bernie or busters) dug our own grave. Now we have to lie in it.

    I am especially concerned about women's rights as you mentioned earlier, but also further degradation of voter rights, civil rights (Latino, African American, Muslim, and what other LGBT rights might erode under this regime. We just might see the liberal base erode that once was a strong supporter of union worker's rights too. Union workers were once our strongest base. Now dwindled and just about to blown away in the wind.

    When people voted for this president, they must not have known or were educated about what their consequences would have occurred by doing so. All I can say is that people were really ignorant by electing this dictator with seemingly untethered powers. He can now control the executive and legislative branches of our government, very dangerous.

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    Like I said in another "mail" DT has become much more "bolder" after the visit to Kim as well approval of the travel ban and all his stupid rally's. Even in the House they are getting obnoxious and are attacking Rosenstein in a filthy way. Yes the "bottom" is ready to fall out. Trump also wants to step out of the WTO. If you look at the total picture then, as I said, I even more believe that this country is beyond saving. Sorry, it is not Bernie, but the "uneducated" people here who caused this; as well the antique corrupt government system and outdated laws. Like what I saw on TV on how that piece of filth (Jordan/Gowdy) attacked Rosenstein; this shows a total collapse of the system. ( You can't request documents from a case under investigation; that is the law)

    I hope people viewed what Malcom Vance said on TV; He said it looks like all what Trump does is orchestrated by Putin; if you look at it, it makes sense; as a matter of fact he's also trying to disrupt NATO as well the EU; He has said during the G7 meeting to Macron: "Step out of the EU, then I give you a much better ( trade?) deal" that sounds like Putin a 100% .

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    This is what I wrote before; this mouse has a tail:

    No one talks about the "timing" of all of this. Why now? the guy could have waited about 4 month to announce this; he was not sick or anything else, except as he stated wanted to enjoy his grand children; that could have waited. Thus Trump and his cronies must have done something to persuade the guy to do it now. Smells again like a dead rat!!

    Again something for the FBI and Mueller to investigate. That is what you get if you invite the "devil" to run the country. Also he's hiring an other ex FOX news guy into the "clan".

    As I've predicted before "step by step" Trump gets its way to "dictatorship" every day a little step in that direction with lots of "promised loyalty"

    Now the truth comes out:

    The sweet son of this Supreme Court Kennedy; named Justin was in an important position in DEUTCHE BANK he loaned Trump millions; Trump still owns 175 million while loaning initial over a billion. Thus People here should start to think on how all of this evolved. Yes this was all planned, but the stupid Democrats had no idea at all what was going on! Wake up Democrats the "bus" is running right over you!

    Another question arises: How did he pay down this loan that fast, with what money?

    MEULLER WAKE UP!!

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    It's far simpler than that, Dutch. Republican leaning Supreme Court justices retire when a Republican is in power; Democratic leaning Supreme Court justices retire when a Democrat is in power. That's the world we live in.

    I know our form of governance pisses you off, but you being pissed off isn't going to change our form of governance.

    Elections have consequences and the consequences of the 2010, 2014, and 2016 elections will give us a far right majority on the Supreme Court for decades to come.

    Thanks, Bernie or busters. You really showed us!