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  • Democrat
    Julian, CA
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    The 5 Supremes decided that purging thousands of legitimate voters from the voter rolls is A-OK.

    Trumps daughter and son-in-law made 82 million last year and Trump needs a huge dump truck to gather up all the loot he has been making from being President.

    There is no question that America has had a war criminal, war mongering, corrupt, lawless Oligarchy for decades and today that lawless Oligarchy is refusing to impeach a man who has been committing serious crimes since he became President and a man who is mentally, emotionally and morally unfit to be President and the only conclusion one can come to is that the Republican Party is as evil and corrupt as he is.

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    progressiveconnie Wrote:

    The 5 Supremes decided that purging thousands of legitimate voters from the voter rolls is A-OK.

    Trumps daughter and son-in-law made 82 million last year and Trump needs a huge dump truck to gather up all the loot he has been making from being President.

    There is no question that America has had a war criminal, war mongering, corrupt, lawless Oligarchy for decades and today that lawless Oligarchy is refusing to impeach a man who has been committing serious crimes since he became President and a man who is mentally, emotionally and morally unfit to be President and the only conclusion one can come to is that the Republican Party is as evil and corrupt as he is.

    Amen; but some people still believe this is an honest non-corrupt country and never rips babies from their mothers without any system to ever bring them together again. As well an President who's a "mob" boss with an bunch of idiots around him. Don't blame the "voters" but blame the lack of education in this country, let alone miss-interpreted and outdated antique laws which gets you in this situation. An total self inflicted wound.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Is it possible to agree that we have problems that need to be addressed without succumbing to rambling nonsense about a lawless oligarchy?
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Democrats of a certain ilk don't believe :

    "Is it possible to agree that we have problems that need to be addressed ".

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Democrats of a certain ilk don't believe :

    "Is it possible to agree that we have problems that need to be addressed ".

    "... without succumbing to rambling nonsense about a lawless oligarchy?"

    If you're going to quote me then quote the entire sentence. Misquoting members is against community rules.

  • Independent
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    jaredsxtn Wrote: Is it possible to agree that we have problems that need to be addressed without succumbing to rambling nonsense about a lawless oligarchy?
    Sorry Jared, living in Oregon, likely the "news" does not get there, except by horse or mule. None of the problems are addressed because the elected people here are brainless including the President, Pence, Bolton, Miller, Kudlow, Ross, the fat lady, Jordan, Mulvany, Sessions, McConnell, Navarro, Nielsen etc. etc. Thus how can you solve problems with these numb skulls in place?
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    We can’t. That’s what Bernie or busters should have thought about before they decided to overrule the will of the American people.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote: We can’t. That’s what Bernie or busters should have thought about before they decided to overrule the will of the American people.
    Jared, due to the fact that we don't have a multi party system as in Europe; then you get this situation that a third party candidate is always a spoiler. Then of course you are stuck with a two party government and eventually with a one party government (as it is actually now) which leads to dictatorship. So what do you want? In the Netherlands you have 11 parties; thus 10 spoilers? I guess not; of course you get disputes as well but it gives a more even distribution of the population in the government; so their is automatically more compromise.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    "We have met the enemy and he is us." I have used Pogo's quote from 1970 often in this website. We can find all kinds of reasons (excuses) why we elected Trump or why our elected Republicans so cater to the rich. We can cry and rant about oligarchs, corruption, lawlessness, flawed election systems and a whole bunch of other stuff, but just remember that we the people elected these corrupt politicians into office. We did it by voting for them or not voting at all or casting protest votes.

    Democracies are hard work. Democracies require an informed electorate. Democracies require participation by all of its citizens. Democracies require that the people think critically and not get carried away with emotive issues that divide us. The expression, "we are what we eat" could also be applied to our government. Our government is a reflection of the electorate...those who choose to participate and those who choose not to...in effect "we are what we eat".

    I have been knocking on doors for the past few months for my Democratic candidate for governor. I have met some very informed people, some less informed, some misinformed, and some cynical "don't give a shit I'm not voting types". We can have an informed electorate who can disagree on issues, and I certainly enjoy engaging them in conversation. However, the most difficult ones are the misinformed. They cannot be swayed easily.

    The most ignorant voters (and some are highly educated) are prey to the demagogues who opportunistically tell them what they want to hear...casting blame at the "other". Trump is successful at it, but to a lesser extent Bernie also engaged in divisive rhetoric...casting blame in the wrong direction.

    It doesn't take a college education to vote or even a high school education. All people need to do is self educate on the few key issues that matter the most to them and then seek out candidates who align with those views. And maybe participate more by engaging with others in a productive way.

    I knocked on 101 doors yesterday talking face to face with both Democrats and unaffiliated voters. It broadens ones perspective on who we are as a country. Unfortunately, though, less than 50 percent will like choose to participate in our state election. The others will be content to sit on the side lines and bitch. They do not contribute to our democracy and are part of the problem rather than the solution.

    We the people are the problem. I blame us.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote: We can’t. That’s what Bernie or busters should have thought about before they decided to overrule the will of the American people.
    Hillary's Billion Dollar Fiasco is what let the country be run by an undeserving unwanted clown. You can't blame the straw that broke the camel's back because it was overloaded before a single straw could make a difference.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Last Straw Fallacy: Another Causal Fallacy and Its Harmful Effects

    AUTHOR(S)

    Cusick, Carolyn; Peter, Mark

    PUB. DATE

    November 2015

    SOURCE

    Argumentation;Nov2015, Vol. 29 Issue 4, p457

    SOURCE TYPE

    Academic Journal

    DOC. TYPE

    Article

    ABSTRACT

    We have noticed a pattern of arguments that exhibit a type of irrationality or a particular informal logical fallacy that is not fully captured by any existing fallacy. This fallacy can be explored through three examples where one misattributes a cause by focusing on a smaller portion of a larger set-specifically, the last or least known-and claiming that that cause holds a unique priority over other contributing factors for the occurrence of an event. We propose to call this fallacy the 'last straw fallacy' and will argue why these examples actually warrant a new logical name. Finally, we will show how these cases point to a deeper insight about the contexts in which we typically invoke this type of reasoning and some significant harmful consequences of doing so.

  • Center Left
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    jaredsxtn Wrote: We can’t. That’s what Bernie or busters should have thought about before they decided to overrule the will of the American people.
    As long as you have a group to blame it on. Maybe the Democrats should try harder. Look beyond the 6 or 8 states that you Control. Maybe common ground should be investigated in those 25+ red states. Maybe we should be trying new methods because we Control nothing. As long as you have a scapegoat - all is peachy. Nope. Peaches grow in Georgia so that's off limits.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    "We have met the enemy and he is us." I have used Pogo's quote from 1970 often in this website. We can find all kinds of reasons (excuses) why we elected Trump or why our elected Republicans so cater to the rich. We can cry and rant about oligarchs, corruption, lawlessness, flawed election systems and a whole bunch of other stuff, but just remember that we the people elected these corrupt politicians into office. We did it by voting for them or not voting at all or casting protest votes.

    Democracies are hard work. Democracies require an informed electorate. Democracies require participation by all of its citizens. Democracies require that the people think critically and not get carried away with emotive issues that divide us. The expression, "we are what we eat" could also be applied to our government. Our government is a reflection of the electorate...those who choose to participate and those who choose not to...in effect "we are what we eat".

    I have been knocking on doors for the past few months for my Democratic candidate for governor. I have met some very informed people, some less informed, some misinformed, and some cynical "don't give a shit I'm not voting types". We can have an informed electorate who can disagree on issues, and I certainly enjoy engaging them in conversation. However, the most difficult ones are the misinformed. They cannot be swayed easily.

    The most ignorant voters (and some are highly educated) are prey to the demagogues who opportunistically tell them what they want to hear...casting blame at the "other". Trump is successful at it, but to a lesser extent Bernie also engaged in divisive rhetoric...casting blame in the wrong direction.

    It doesn't take a college education to vote or even a high school education. All people need to do is self educate on the few key issues that matter the most to them and then seek out candidates who align with those views. And maybe participate more by engaging with others in a productive way.

    I knocked on 101 doors yesterday talking face to face with both Democrats and unaffiliated voters. It broadens ones perspective on who we are as a country. Unfortunately, though, less than 50 percent will like choose to participate in our state election. The others will be content to sit on the side lines and bitch. They do not contribute to our democracy and are part of the problem rather than the solution.

    We the people are the problem. I blame us.

    Schmidt; I guess you are looking at it purely face to face; how about looking at it from outside of this country? Not all ants run in the same direction unless trained. What the problem of this country is, I did mentioned a million times. Wrong voting system ( money, gerrymandering, lobbyists, Super PAC's, you name it. On top of that the base education of how to structure things if you do something. Look at the "border kid" debacle; no logistics at all let alone any solid system to prevent such things, let alone oversight. Like I told you I was involved with the FAA here, while working overseas; what a mess at that time. The reason is quite simple; if you change the government every 4 years and kick all the experienced people out than you get the result as it is now . TOTAL INCOMPETENCE. Thus you are eager to vote for "incompetence"? All of this is the result of these stupid elections in which the "leaders" are not properly screened for their qualifications and knowledge of the world. It is the awful "island" mentality which is just about impossible to weed out and the use of common sense is just about impossible here. Like I said so many times all of this is an self inflicted wound, because of antique laws which don't fit 2018. Especially the voting laws as well the "vetting" need an total overhaul. Indeed "the lack of real education of the people here is the problem" A zillion lawyers make this mess only bigger!
  • Independent
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    No reactions, I guess the truth hurts as well due to the island mentality in this country, they will stick to their old ways and will only dig a deeper hole for themselves. Running like hell without brains towards the cliff.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    This is what I wrote under the heading of "The electoral college"; (6/23/17) a year ago and still applies.

    Jared, just look at the history since WWII; have we learned anything from our mistakes? Guess what; did we learn from Vietnam, Korea etc. no we've got more wars than ever (some already 14 years!!). Did we learn that the 2nd Amendment kills more people than ever because the idiots interpret that document wrong? Did we learn even after 45 Presidents that you have to screen/vet them properly? By stating that Republicans rather vote for the devil, that is true, but what are the Democrats offering? Mother Theresa? Don't forget 40% or more vote Republican; why? INDOCTRINATION by the churches, lobbyists, army, dumb area's like "coal belt, bible belt, rust belt, grain belt, cowboy belt, dirt belt, sand belt, naive belt, slave belt., and of course Fox news as well Breitbard B.S. etc.

    Thus what can you do other than have about two persons ( Pelosi and Schumer) defend something which is normal common sense? Why even loose an district in Georgia if you don't have an strong working plan to support the DNC candidate. Guess why?, because the GOP makes sure their indoctrination of lies etc. keeps working for them, even an fat ass dumb woman can win. Wow, Let alone in Montana; beat up an reporter and he still wins. And you still believe in this country? Honestly?