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  • Center Left
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    Next to nothing on the internet about the trends of our party. This was an interesting exchange on 538.com

    Curious to see if we under or over achieve.

    fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-there-...

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    TJ, I believe the DNC and status quo Democrats are down playing so when it looks too late to do anything Hillary will appear as the billion dollar savior.
  • Independent
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: TJ, I believe the DNC and status quo Democrats are down playing so when it looks too late to do anything Hillary will appear as the billion dollar savior.

    I don't think she is out of politics either, but my speculation is that HC is out of national politics for the next few years; she is too big a target for trump and his cult following.

    Bidden stepped aside in 2016 to allow her to run, and unless his health fails, he will be running for president and HC will not challenge him. If Bidden is elected (or any Democrat), you can bet she will be given an important job, any job she wants. Very good chance she will become a future DOJ. She has a law degree.

  • Independent
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    Don't even think about 2020; right now the Dem's are a lame duck all the way. For instance baby's and little kids are ripped out of their mothers arms by our Hitler in the White House; what are the Dem's doing? Yes, NOTHING. This party is doomed if they don't open their mouth forcefully. Our "dictator" blames the Dem's for it; but not one Dem's person forcefully tells the asshole to stop lying about this. That is how weak the Dem's have become. Only the media protests, but where is Pelosi, Schumer, etc.?
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    Sorry, I don’t believe that there will be any blue wave in 2018. The house will remain in Republican control and the Senate will either remain in Republican control or be split at best.

    The Democratic Party as a whole must be standing up to the criminal enterprise known as the Republican Party on every level.

  • Center Left
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    Weak ineffective minority. Why is that just accepted like the color of the sky. Ahhh, it sure sucks but there's absolutely nothing we can do about it. REALLY ? We should demand far more. We should demand it immediately. Nobody cares about the individual politician but they care about their loved ones who are being disadvantaged by a system that is needing to be torn down and restaffed. Seems to me that 96% of the country is obsessed with television and social media. Is our party effectively communicating to them ? The short answer is no.

    Huge problems in this country and no concerted effort to attack the problems. Mr. Perez. What have you done for me lately ? Not nearly enough.

  • Independent
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    TJ Wrote:

    Weak ineffective minority. Why is that just accepted like the color of the sky. Ahhh, it sure sucks but there's absolutely nothing we can do about it. REALLY ? We should demand far more. We should demand it immediately. Nobody cares about the individual politician but they care about their loved ones who are being disadvantaged by a system that is needing to be torn down and restaffed. Seems to me that 96% of the country is obsessed with television and social media. Is our party effectively communicating to them ? The short answer is no.

    Huge problems in this country and no concerted effort to attack the problems. Mr. Perez. What have you done for me lately ? Not nearly enough.

    Yes T.J. you've got it right. The worst part is Trumps "blackmail" he demands the "wall" from the Dem's in trade for the border "kid"ripping from their parents thing; I call that pure evil and criminal and should deserve at a minimum jail for him and Sessions or worse. Therefore the DEM's should drag him into court right now.
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    TJ Wrote:

    Weak ineffective minority. Why is that just accepted like the color of the sky. Ahhh, it sure sucks but there's absolutely nothing we can do about it. REALLY ? We should demand far more. We should demand it immediately.

    TJ, I am not clearly what you are wanting to happen in specific terms. Demand what be done immediately?

    I can understand people's frustration, skepticism, and extreme disappointment that we have the biggest MF as president. My perception is that there is a massive blue political tsunami already on its way to hit in Nov 2018... A tsunami is not a massive storm like a hurricane, it is a silent massive surge of water that hits the shoreline, and in a matter of minutes, not hours, and the inland coast submerged in water. A tsunami is practically silent, but wipes everything out.

    I am not buying into the mindset that the majority of American people are laying down to DT and symbolically saying to him: "Fuck us in the ass, and here is my wife, and here are my daughters, they are here to pleasure you, abuse them as you see fit".... If it were truly that bad, people would be fleeing to Canada, Mexico, and other parts of the world. Trump's boarder wall would be used to keep people in, rather than keep people out.

  • Independent
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    Dutch Wrote:Therefore the DEM's should drag him into court right now.

    In real world terms, how would that be accomplished?

  • Center Left
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    Wwjd, We need to find a person who can elaborate on the stark difference between us and the right on all issues. Immigration, healthcare, trade, infrastructure, race relations, crime, military involvement in Yemen, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, etc. And make it a point to do massive air time. 4 or 5 morning news magazines each Sunday. Sometimes we have a guest appearance by Feinstein, Warren, Sanders or Schumer. We need a professional class communicator to become a regular on Sunday morning as well as Msnbc, CNN and Fox.

    Saying nothing is like accepting all that is being done. It's the implied message that oozes out of the DNC. We need a party spokesperson who can defend our various stances. Thus emphasizing that there are huge differences and citizens should pick a side.

    I hate the republicans but they bashed President Obama daily. Everything was questioned. Rude and offensive ? Hell yes but they

    now have the presidency, the Congress, Senate and Supreme court. We can boast that we're far more polite and perhaps more intelligent. When you're not leading constituents you're quietly voting on the R's agenda and mostly staying out of the way. We need an aggressive yet intelligent counter punch.

    On Facebook and Twitter we should be spending millions reaching all voters. 80 year olds and 10 year olds are on there a dozen or more times each and everyday of the year. When you download Facebook it shows the number of downloads. When I joined about 30 months ago that total was 1 billion - with a B. How on earth do you ignore such a massive audience.

    I am not suggesting Twitter battles with potus but many many ways to address a captive audience. We need to hire experts to lead us to a point of successful communicating.

    Know what the worst thing is that would be said to a potential voter ? (It's a trick question)... Nothing.

    Edit / add

    2.19 Billion Facebook users worldwide this year.

    statista.com/statistics/264810/number-o...

  • Independent
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    TJ, I would agree with everything you said if the main stream media was ignoring trump or giving him a pass. The media is on his ass 24\7 and they are exposing the facts to the american people what a dumb fuck liar he is every single day. If not for the media, almost nothing he has said\done would have been exposed.

    I am confident that majority of american voters see DT for who he truly is; a sociopath and a pathological liar. His base may believe he the second coming of JC, but we know JC wouldn't be praising Kim Jung-un nor separating children from their parents at the boarder as way to terrorize both parents and children.

    Even main stream Republicans don't like trump, they fear him. Huge difference. They stay in line out of fear, not respect. They have to be on board with trump 100%, or they are fucked. He may tweet shit about them, or retweet a photoshop image of them get fucked by Donkey.

    I firmly beleive republicans be hit extremely hard during the mid-terms. Not only that, but also that DT wants republicans to lose everywhere as way to purge them. DT wants be the underdog that can blame the democrats. He also wants to face impeachment by democrats because he is 110% confident he can beat the impeachment...

  • Independent
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    wwjd Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:Therefore the DEM's should drag him into court right now.

    In real world terms, how would that be accomplished?

    Of course in this country impossible; except if you get an Nurnburg trial after the fact. Like what happened after WWII. The convoluted system here allows things like this to go on unpunished. I made that statement as wishful thinking.
  • Center Left
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    If you're watching This Week w/GS, Steve Bannon is the exact type of person I am talking about. A well spoken and quick witted spokesman who gets large segments of time in front of a very large audience. The far right and far left ignore the predictable banter. It's the huge stripe across the center that are mostly under informed and undecided who want to decide what to think. Bannon has been a glorified cheerleader for the president. We will get the obligatory 6 second reply of "We don't like what he said" ( 18 minutes versus 6 seconds) thanks Nancy Pelosi, next our segment on......

    This is not important to government decisions but it's a huge ingredient in talk around the coffee machine. We are not effectively communicating and thus we are not reaching enough voters.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    I did watch, and also watched Chuck Todd (MTP) and I didn't like anything I heard from the right wing zealots. I especially disliked Bannon's prediction of another Trump win in '20.

    I am also wonder why no democrats with political power skipped being interviewed by either morning talk show hosts?

    I'm thinking maybe democrats are laying low hoping the republican party digs themselves a deeper hole. Every week it seems Trump takes the party deeper and deeper into the hole. His white house front lawn press conference emitted lie after lie, and the media spoke up about it too, and Trump supporters ate his crap up like porridge. Sickening.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Bannon is a crusader. Too bad he doesn't have any morals or we don't have one like him.