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Losing mid terms.

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  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-06-07 12:56:29 PM
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    Losing the mid terms is becoming a reality . Is the other reality that so many people were sure they had a political future with President Hillary that they are now depressed and despondent. Something has to account for the lack of Democratic energy .
  • jaredsxtn
    2018-06-07 02:07:20 PM
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    Who says there's lack of Democratic energy?

    Democrats had a pretty solid night in California just the other night and averted potential disaster by making sure a Democrat is on the ballot in every Congressional race. California has a really weird primary system and party infighting had the potential to make it so no Democrat was on the ballot in many races, but Democrats showed up in droves and made sure there's a Democrat on every ballot.

    The path to the House majority runs through California and Tuesday's primaries made that path much easier.

    A Democrat in deep red Alabama was elected to the United States Senate. A Democrat was elected Governor of Virginia. A Democrat was elected Governor of New Jersey after having a Republican for eight years. Democrats erased the Republican's super majority in the Virginia legislature and pulled within one seat of the majority even with an abysmal congressional map. And numerous Democrats have won in local and state races that have been in Republican control for decades or more.

    I can go on and on.

    There's nothing we can do until November except vote in our primaries and any special election, so I'm not surprised most people aren't at peak enthusiasm right now. We've showed up in every local, state, and Federal election since Donald took office, so I'm cautiously optimistic that we'll show up come November too.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-06-07 05:34:50 PM
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    I didn't read that in the Democratic results in CA but if you did then I concede.
  • jaredsxtn
    2018-06-07 06:12:35 PM
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: I didn't read that in the Democratic results in CA but if you did then I concede.

    There are seven districts in California where Clinton won a majority of the vote, but a Republican Representative won because there was no Democrat to vote for due to Democratic infighting in the primary that split the vote and made it so two Republicans were on the ballot.

    Thankfully Democrats got their act together this year and those seven districts have one Democrat and one Republican pitted against each other instead of two Republicans running against each other.

    No Republican made it on the ballot for the Senate either, so either Feinstein or Democratic State Senator Kevin de León will win. I'd be shocked if Feinstein lost, but even if she did we'd still have a Democrat replacing her.

    The Governor's race in California is a done deal for Gavin Newsom, who actually ran ads in support of the Republican nominee in order to avoid having a head to head with Democratic Mayor of Los Angeles Antonio Villaraigosa. California is an overwhelmingly Democratic state and Newsom is virtually guaranteed to win unless he has a colossal scandal that somehow brings him down, something that's rather unlikely considering he's been in public office for over two decades and has been thoroughly vetted.

    So California is looking really, really good for us come November. Those seven districts that Clinton won, but currently have a Republican Representative can be the key to Democrats retaking the lower chamber come November.
  • TJ
    2018-06-07 06:27:53 PM
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    Chet is correct. We're winning simply because Rethuglicans are very self serving and offering voters little to nothing. Be a team player and praise the DNC but they're highly ineffective.
  • jaredsxtn
    2018-06-07 06:29:19 PM
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    TJ Wrote: Chet is correct. We're winning simply because Rethuglicans are very self serving and offering voters little to nothing. Be a team player and praise the DNC but they're highly ineffective.

    The DNC was pretty darn effective in California this past Tuesday by helping make sure that a Democrat will be on the ballot in every major House race...

    Are any of us able to give credit where credit is due or is it just simply easier to have the DNC as the perpetual boogeyman?

  • Dutch
    2018-06-08 08:40:08 AM
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    TJ Wrote: Chet is correct. We're winning simply because Rethuglicans are very self serving and offering voters little to nothing. Be a team player and praise the DNC but they're highly ineffective.

    The DNC was pretty darn effective in California this past Tuesday by helping make sure that a Democrat will be on the ballot in every major House race...

    Are any of us able to give credit where credit is due or is it just simply easier to have the DNC as the perpetual boogeyman?

    Jared, as long as the "money" as well awful "laws" stays in elections and no proper vetting of these candidates then this country will remain in chaos. Sorry the Dem's are facing the established and expanded corruption as well, because it has become a "norm". As well how are the Dem's going to undo all the damage done already?
  • TJ
    2018-07-08 12:34:55 PM
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    This story from 2 weeks ago suggests our message is not there. I guess it's not too late to address but it doesn't get talked about. November will be here before we know it.

    google.com/amp/s/washingtonpost.com/amp...
  • Dutch
    2018-07-08 12:51:12 PM
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    TJ Wrote:

    This story from 2 weeks ago suggests our message is not there. I guess it's not too late to address but it doesn't get talked about. November will be here before we know it.

    google.com/amp/s/washingtonpost.com/amp...

    The "mid term" elections will come too late; this won't help to get Trump impeached or indicted if the outcome is that Trump is dragged before the Supreme Court, may be the verdict may be not as expected, because of his nomination of an Judge who is "loyal" to Trump, unless Mueller comes with something so terrible that they can't suppress it.
  • TJ
    2018-07-08 01:28:44 PM
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    I would be most satisfied if we gain seats to be more of an opposition. His lack of any challenge has to change.
  • jaredsxtn
    2018-07-08 04:28:47 PM
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    TJ Wrote: I would be most satisfied if we gain seats to be more of an opposition. His lack of any challenge has to change.

    He won't have an official challenger until the Democratic primary season is concluded in mid 2020. That's when we'll find out who Democrats choose to be our nominee for President.

    I find your frustration somewhat confusing though. Many Democrats hated having a party standard bearer in 2016 and searched for someone in the party to challenge her. That brought about a nasty primary campaign that wound up with the die hard supporters of her opponent being the deciding factor in making Donald the 45th President.

    So having a standard bearer isn't always a good thing, especially in the age of hyper partisanship. Be careful what you wish for because the next "_____ or busters" are just itching to blow everything up once again.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-07-08 05:06:51 PM
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    TJ Wrote:

    This story from 2 weeks ago suggests our message is not there. I guess it's not too late to address but it doesn't get talked about. November will be here before we know it.

    google.com/amp/s/washingtonpost.com/amp...

    Trump framed what should have been the Democratic slogan in 2016 : "Lots of good paying jobs".

    Are the Democrats so afraid of Wall Street that they are afraid to demand investment in this country . For many years now the Democrats have sat idoly by while Republicans passed laws that let Wall Street divert money from jobs to gambling. Income gap keeps growing while the standard of living keeps shrinking .
  • Dutch
    2018-07-09 08:47:56 AM
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    TJ Wrote:

    This story from 2 weeks ago suggests our message is not there. I guess it's not too late to address but it doesn't get talked about. November will be here before we know it.

    google.com/amp/s/washingtonpost.com/amp...

    Trump framed what should have been the Democratic slogan in 2016 : "Lots of good paying jobs".

    Are the Democrats so afraid of Wall Street that they are afraid to demand investment in this country . For many years now the Democrats have sat idoly by while Republicans passed laws that let Wall Street divert money from jobs to gambling. Income gap keeps growing while the standard of living keeps shrinking .

    Chet, I don't want to hammer a dead horse but, "lots of good paying jobs" is an horrible slogan; the unemployment here is at its lowest since the 70's. The "paying" part" as Trump says: the wages are too high to be competitive. No, Chet it is not the wages. It is purely the case that the US has refused to develop with the times. An typical example is high speed trains; Europe has had them for years; barely any here. Let alone an modern "metro" system. Also the electric system is years behind; now finally solar farms are being used, but undermined by Trump, who is now putting penalties on foreign made panels, while very few industries make those here and are more costly to make. What about the infrastructure here? Probably can't find workers for it ; foreigners are not allowed into the country either to do such jobs, so forget that as well. etc. etc. No, Chet "lots of good paying jobs"will be disappearing in this country because of Trump and his trade policies.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-07-09 10:14:30 PM
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    Dutch you said : "lots of good paying jobs"will be disappearing in this country because of Trump and his trade policies."

    That is 1000% true. Trump bold faced lied when he said it. Trump is for low paying jobs. He promised "good paying jobs" because he knew that is what the people want and it would get him elected. It was and it did. A Democrat can use good paying jobs and point how Trump lied and gave the people the exact opposite. Lots of low paying jobs. Trump had continued the 40 year wage stagnation .

    Lots of jobs doesn't mean crap unless they are good paying. 40% of the people in the US can't come up with $400 in an emergency . The Democratic party needs to tell the people they care and understand about them . "Lots of Good Paying Jobs".
  • wwjd
    2018-07-10 05:59:53 AM
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    Based on what I'm reading in this thread democrats appear to be "Glass Half empty people", the moment they see a cloud in the sky they concede, packup, and go home because that single rain cloud is the beginning of the end of everything.... Its that type of losing attitude that sees failure in everything. They could be winning, and they will find something wrong, and quit.

    Person1: WOW, you just won 250 million the lottery. You're set for life.

    Democrat: Doesn't matter. Last week the lotto was 500 million. If I had won last week I could have afford to do All the things I wanted to do all my life. This week, I only get to do half as much. Think of all the things I won't be able to do with only 250 million. Only 5 yachts, instead of 10. only a lear jet instead of Boeing 747.

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