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Nina Turner's "Our Revolution" losing its way

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  • Schmidt
    2018-05-21 11:06:44 AM
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    Politico, May 21, 2018: Bernie’s army in disarray

    Bernie Sanders' operatives formed the Our Revolution movement after his 2016 defeat to Hillary. The purpose of the movement was to keep the Bernie momentum alive for a potential 2020 presidential bid.

    However, as the article suggests, the Our Revolution movement is in disarray, and seemingly working more as a promotional vehicle for their president, Nina Turner, rather than a true supporter of Bernie Sanders agenda. In fact, the purity tests that Nina Turner is applying to candidates finds them going against some of the Sanders supported candidates.

    I have been monitoring the success and failures of the Our Revolution movement and where they claim success mostly is in local elections and highly liberal--progressive districts, but little to show on a national scale.

    Indeed, many board members and former delegates see Nina Turner as the problem using her position to regularly attack the more centrist DNC while preparing for a presidential run of her own in 2020. Some of the authoritarian tactics she is using mimic those of the Trump campaign operatives.

    Fund raising has plummeted to just one third of what it was a year ago.

    The Our Revolution movement has some good points in their agenda, but if Nina Turner sets her enemy as the DNC backed candidates, then the movement will die. But perhaps not before they have inflicted damage on the Democrats ability to win back the House and Senate in 2018.

  • jaredsxtn
    2018-05-21 03:09:29 PM
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    My biggest worry is that this movement will splinter the Democratic Party once again this November and thwart our only chance to hold Donald accountable until 2020. Bernie (and his "army") don't seem to have any desire for compromise. It's "my way or the highway" with them, which concerns me to no end.

    Another thing that can't be overlooked is what the second paragraph in the article pointed out: "Our Revolution has shown no ability to tip a major Democratic election in its favor — despite possessing Sanders’ email list, the envy of the Democratic Party — and can claim no major wins in 2018 as its own." (Bold done by me).

    "A fish rots from the head down." Turner may be doing a terrible job running Bernie's "army," but I honestly think it has more to do with Bernie's inability to recognize that what plays in Vermont doesn't always play in Virginia.

    Their one size fits all mentality can very well screw us over this November and we will have no one to blame but ourselves this time around if that happens.

  • lonely bird
    2018-05-26 10:17:34 AM
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    Our Revolution is much like Occupy. In the long term it means nothing. Occupy prided itself on its so-called democracy and lack of leaders (untrue of course but the myth continues). Of course this meant it accomplished nothing. I don't mean that its actions didn't shine a light, it did. The problem was that what the light exposed didn't mean much to a very large percentage of Americans who have been completely addicted to American Mythology as well as the inroads made by the prosperity gospel people. Anyone can become rich except that they cannot. But that doesn't matter to those who are addicted. Another issue is that Occupy and likely much of Our Revolution is elite liberals, primarily white elite liberals. The issue is not inclusiveness as these groups would both happily include minorities but rather that failed messaging methodology followed in the case of Our Revolution by the growth of arrogance has led to ineffectiveness. Add in the attention span and lack of critical thinking by the American public and you get the end result we have.

    Btw, politicians who "support" either Our Revolution or Occupy are merely making words. The actual work of legislating and putting together programs is far more complex. Compromise has been expelled from the system by Republicans. The best thing either group can do is work to get Democrats elected even if they are not ideologically "pure". I prefer progressive Democrats but faced with a centrist or corporatist Dem and ANY Republican, I will take the Dem.

  • progressiveconnie
    2018-06-06 02:06:08 PM
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    What is the point of voting for a corporate stooge if they either have a d or an r by their name since you end up with the same corporate oligarchic government, until we abolish this corrupt, warmongering, lawless Oligarchy we'll never be able to create a NEW Republic. Anyone who is satisfied with this rotten government and goes along with it is not a Patriot.

  • jaredsxtn
    2018-06-07 07:03:50 PM
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    I think it's telling that Our Revolution candidates are consistently being told "no thank you" by primary voters, especially since primary voters tend to be far more politically active than general election voters and should therefore lean more towards Bernie's vision for America than the average Democrat who tends to only vote in general elections.

    Our Revolution has one major "win" and that's Stacey Abrams in Georgia, who has the potential to be the first female black governor in American history. The only problem is that she lives in Georgia, which, while becoming more and more purple as of late, is still overwhelmingly Republican and will likely continue to be so for some time.

    The vast majority of their other "wins" are in local and state elections. Don't get me wrong. I firmly believe that "all politics is local" and I hope they are voted in and succeed in their respective races, but it just seems this group can't break through to the Federal level with the exception of a handful of races.

  • progressiveconnie
    2019-01-22 01:47:38 PM
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    The Frenchees know how to have effective revolutions, as a matter of fact, they are having one right now and there is even a rumor that guillotines are being built all over France. The big question is "Why in world has the American people tolerated its greedy, corrupt, warmongering Oligarchy for so long?" It is a fact that the American people should have abolished that Oligarchy generations ago since the only people that Oligarchy is representing is the Robber Barons, Corporate Capitalists and the Military Industrial Complex, in other words, the American people have very good reasons why they should be revolting.
  • lonely bird
    2019-01-22 11:33:55 PM
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    progressiveconnie Wrote: The Frenchees know how to have effective revolutions, as a matter of fact, they are having one right now and there is even a rumor that guillotines are being built all over France. The big question is "Why in world has the American people tolerated its greedy, corrupt, warmongering Oligarchy for so long?" It is a fact that the American people should have abolished that Oligarchy generations ago since the only people that Oligarchy is representing is the Robber Barons, Corporate Capitalists and the Military Industrial Complex, in other words, the American people have very good reasons why they should be revolting.
    The Frenchmen know how to have effective revolutions? The French Revolution was an utter failure. Just about the only successful revolution interestingly enough was the American Revolution. I suggest Hannah Arendt’s “On Revolution”.
  • Dutch
    2019-01-23 08:51:55 AM
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    lonely bird Wrote:
    progressiveconnie Wrote: The Frenchees know how to have effective revolutions, as a matter of fact, they are having one right now and there is even a rumor that guillotines are being built all over France. The big question is "Why in world has the American people tolerated its greedy, corrupt, warmongering Oligarchy for so long?" It is a fact that the American people should have abolished that Oligarchy generations ago since the only people that Oligarchy is representing is the Robber Barons, Corporate Capitalists and the Military Industrial Complex, in other words, the American people have very good reasons why they should be revolting.
    The Frenchmen know how to have effective revolutions? The French Revolution was an utter failure. Just about the only successful revolution interestingly enough was the American Revolution. I suggest Hannah Arendt’s “On Revolution”.
    Shaking my old head; most revolutions cause an even worse situation. The French got Napoleon, the Russians Stalin, Germany got Hitler etc. Look at S.America after each revolt they got an even worse dictator. Even the Civil war here did not solve anything. The division between "black and white or colored" is still there and getting worse under Trump.
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