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    This thread was about kids getting worthless degrees and not able to get a good job in spite of spending many thousands of dollars.
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    But don't forget how the conditions were changed to allow 2008 to happen.
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    As Jared said: "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction."

    Letting mortgages fall under a futures definition was the primary action. 2008 was the reaction.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: What does this have to do with lots of good paying jobs. Nothing to do with free college.

    My post has everything to do with "good paying jobs" and "free college." A solid minority of Democrats have fallen for politicians who promise them everything in the world..."for free!!!" without ever once thinking critically about how all this "free" stuff will be paid for. Their mantra is "low taxes and free everything!" Or I should say "low taxes [for me] and free everything!"

    How do you suppose "free college" for tens of millions of people will be provided? How do you suppose universities will be able to attract competent professors if they are paid sub par salaries? And how do you suppose we fight the inevitable Constitutional challenge concerning "free college!" when it comes to state versus Federal rights in the courts? I would be very hard pressed to see any Appeals Court other than the 9th say that there's a Constitutional right to a post-secondary education, but even if the 9th ruled it Constitutional, I would be SHOCKED if the Supreme Court didn't overrule them.

    Now, I'm all for community colleges offering deeply discounted (paid for by the local taxpayers!) education and trade program certificates, but most community colleges are already doing that. Students can get an associates degree or enroll in a trade program for little to zero money at all already. What we haven't figured out as a society is how to make it affordable for the lower and middle classes to take the next step into an affordable bachelors program at a state or private university.

    This is what I'm trying to get across. Promises of free! this and free! that undoubtedly fire up the base, but they are terrible in the long run because it only pisses off the base when they find out that there's no such thing as a free lunch.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: This supports my belief that you have no clue that the Democratic Party drifted away from taking care of the working class. Every Democrat should start every sentence with we have to rectify everything Phil Gramm did.

    "Those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it."

    I'm well aware of the history of the Democratic Party, Chet. I'm aware of the good, bad, and downright ugly history of the Democratic Party.

    We were the party of slavery, Jim Crow, and segregation which also happened to be the party that helped out the "working [WHITE] man" (and only men).

    We're now the party of inclusiveness, gay rights, women's rights, civil rights, and still care about the working people, but unfortunately some of those people decided that following demagogues who promise them everything in the world for free! is easier than ever thinking critically about stubbornly complex problems facing our country.

    jaredsxtn said: "Then disillusioned people will again fall for the fanciful promises that demagogues like Donald and Bernie promise them and the cycle will repeat itself."

    Trump never had any intention of helping anybody . Bernie was honest and absolutely could pay for everything . He was going to tax derivatives. That alone would put money back into the economy by enticing billions upon billions of dollars to go back into investing in jobs producing investments . That would put money back into the hands of people that would spend it and prosperity would prevail.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    jaredsxtn said: "Then disillusioned people will again fall for the fanciful promises that demagogues like Donald and Bernie promise them and the cycle will repeat itself."

    Trump never had any intention of helping anybody . Bernie was honest and absolutely could pay for everything . He was going to tax derivatives. That alone would put money back into the economy by enticing billions upon billions of dollars to go back into investing in jobs producing investments . That would put money back into the hands of people that would spend it and prosperity would prevail.

    Bernie proposed a "speculation tax." A proposal is different than "he was going to." Presidents are not kings and don't get to waive a magic wand in order to get everything they want.

    Bernie's proposal undoubtedly riled up his supporters, but what he conveniently left out is that fact that his proposal would have to pass a bitterly divided Congress which no matter what happened in the Presidential election would have almost certainly still had a Republican dominated House of Representatives.

    Far too many people in this country desperately need a civics lesson.

    Article I established a Congress; Article II established the Executive. The Congress writes tax bills; the Executive signs said tax bills into law or vetoes them.

    Bernie's promises were as worthless as a $3 bill.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    jaredsxtn said: "Then disillusioned people will again fall for the fanciful promises that demagogues like Donald and Bernie promise them and the cycle will repeat itself."

    Trump never had any intention of helping anybody . Bernie was honest and absolutely could pay for everything . He was going to tax derivatives. That alone would put money back into the economy by enticing billions upon billions of dollars to go back into investing in jobs producing investments . That would put money back into the hands of people that would spend it and prosperity would prevail.

    Bernie proposed a "speculation tax." A proposal is different than "he was going to." Presidents are not kings and don't get to waive a magic wand in order to get everything they want.

    Bernie's proposal undoubtedly riled up his supporters, but what he conveniently left out is that fact that his proposal would have to pass a bitterly divided Congress which no matter what happened in the Presidential election would have almost certainly still had a Republican dominated House of Representatives.

    Far too many people in this country desperately need a civics lesson.

    Article I established a Congress; Article II established the Executive. The Congress writes tax bills; the Executive signs said tax bills into law or vetoes them.

    Bernie's promises were as worthless as a $3 bill.

    Bernie Sanders on MTP, Chuck Todd moderator, I wanted to throw up. He spouted his progressive agenda and suggested what democrats needed to do to win elections. He thinks Americans are coming around to his way of thing, haha. not.
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    Dockadams Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    jaredsxtn said: "Then disillusioned people will again fall for the fanciful promises that demagogues like Donald and Bernie promise them and the cycle will repeat itself."

    Trump never had any intention of helping anybody . Bernie was honest and absolutely could pay for everything . He was going to tax derivatives. That alone would put money back into the economy by enticing billions upon billions of dollars to go back into investing in jobs producing investments . That would put money back into the hands of people that would spend it and prosperity would prevail.

    Bernie proposed a "speculation tax." A proposal is different than "he was going to." Presidents are not kings and don't get to waive a magic wand in order to get everything they want.

    Bernie's proposal undoubtedly riled up his supporters, but what he conveniently left out is that fact that his proposal would have to pass a bitterly divided Congress which no matter what happened in the Presidential election would have almost certainly still had a Republican dominated House of Representatives.

    Far too many people in this country desperately need a civics lesson.

    Article I established a Congress; Article II established the Executive. The Congress writes tax bills; the Executive signs said tax bills into law or vetoes them.

    Bernie's promises were as worthless as a $3 bill.

    Bernie Sanders on MTP, Chuck Todd moderator, I wanted to throw up. He spouted his progressive agenda and suggested what democrats needed to do to win elections. He thinks Americans are coming around to his way of thing, haha. not.
    If that makes you throw up then what is giving you hope .
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    jaredsxtn said: "Then disillusioned people will again fall for the fanciful promises that demagogues like Donald and Bernie promise them and the cycle will repeat itself."

    Trump never had any intention of helping anybody . Bernie was honest and absolutely could pay for everything . He was going to tax derivatives. That alone would put money back into the economy by enticing billions upon billions of dollars to go back into investing in jobs producing investments . That would put money back into the hands of people that would spend it and prosperity would prevail.

    Bernie proposed a "speculation tax." A proposal is different than "he was going to." Presidents are not kings and don't get to waive a magic wand in order to get everything they want.

    Bernie's proposal undoubtedly riled up his supporters, but what he conveniently left out is that fact that his proposal would have to pass a bitterly divided Congress which no matter what happened in the Presidential election would have almost certainly still had a Republican dominated House of Representatives.

    Far too many people in this country desperately need a civics lesson.

    Article I established a Congress; Article II established the Executive. The Congress writes tax bills; the Executive signs said tax bills into law or vetoes them.

    Bernie's promises were as worthless as a $3 bill.

    I would have to say the civics lesson needs to go to Trump. He is stepping all over the restrictions you say would curtail Bernie.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    jaredsxtn said: "Then disillusioned people will again fall for the fanciful promises that demagogues like Donald and Bernie promise them and the cycle will repeat itself."

    Trump never had any intention of helping anybody . Bernie was honest and absolutely could pay for everything . He was going to tax derivatives. That alone would put money back into the economy by enticing billions upon billions of dollars to go back into investing in jobs producing investments . That would put money back into the hands of people that would spend it and prosperity would prevail.

    Bernie proposed a "speculation tax." A proposal is different than "he was going to." Presidents are not kings and don't get to waive a magic wand in order to get everything they want.

    Bernie's proposal undoubtedly riled up his supporters, but what he conveniently left out is that fact that his proposal would have to pass a bitterly divided Congress which no matter what happened in the Presidential election would have almost certainly still had a Republican dominated House of Representatives.

    Far too many people in this country desperately need a civics lesson.

    Article I established a Congress; Article II established the Executive. The Congress writes tax bills; the Executive signs said tax bills into law or vetoes them.

    Bernie's promises were as worthless as a $3 bill.

    Bernie Sanders on MTP, Chuck Todd moderator, I wanted to throw up. He spouted his progressive agenda and suggested what democrats needed to do to win elections. He thinks Americans are coming around to his way of thing, haha. not.
    If that makes you throw up then what is giving you hope .
    Next to nothing. With a DNC chair like Perez, we democrats are in trouble, and I only hope Sanders doesn't try to run for president ever again.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: I would have to say the civics lesson needs to go to Trump. He is stepping all over the restrictions you say would curtail Bernie.

    What laws has he signed other than a tax cut for the rich and the rollback of regulations that were able to be done with a simple majority vote? Donald has tons of bluster, but he hasn't signed much of anything into law.

    Where he has been wildly successful is placing right-wing extremist judges onto the Federal bench, up to and including the Supreme Court, which just today voided the National Labor Relations Act and potentially extinguished private sector unions for decades or more.

    THAT's how protest votes or not voting at all has real world consequences. I hope those Bernie or Busters who voted for Donald weren't union folks because their guy just royally screwed them over.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    jaredsxtn said: "Then disillusioned people will again fall for the fanciful promises that demagogues like Donald and Bernie promise them and the cycle will repeat itself."

    Trump never had any intention of helping anybody . Bernie was honest and absolutely could pay for everything . He was going to tax derivatives. That alone would put money back into the economy by enticing billions upon billions of dollars to go back into investing in jobs producing investments . That would put money back into the hands of people that would spend it and prosperity would prevail.

    Bernie proposed a "speculation tax." A proposal is different than "he was going to." Presidents are not kings and don't get to waive a magic wand in order to get everything they want.

    Bernie's proposal undoubtedly riled up his supporters, but what he conveniently left out is that fact that his proposal would have to pass a bitterly divided Congress which no matter what happened in the Presidential election would have almost certainly still had a Republican dominated House of Representatives.

    Far too many people in this country desperately need a civics lesson.

    Article I established a Congress; Article II established the Executive. The Congress writes tax bills; the Executive signs said tax bills into law or vetoes them.

    Bernie's promises were as worthless as a $3 bill.

    What you say applies to anybody. Accordingly a president would have to have Republican interests at heart to get anything done.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: What you say applies to anybody. Accordingly a president would have to have Republican interests at heart to get anything done.

    All the regulations Donald and the Republicans overturned could be reenacted with one fell swoop by a Democratic President and Congress, but regulations are FAR different than laws. And even when laws are passed, the Supreme Court gets to overturn them, as they did today.

    That's why elections matter, Chet. Just imagine if Democrats showed up in 2014 and were able to replace Scalia with Garland or if Bernie or Busters didn't overrule the will of the American people in 2016 and allow Republicans to replace Scalia with a far right wing asshole. We'd literally be living in a different world.

    Bernie or busters should have thought about the fact that Donald would appoint judges that would screw them over six ways from Sunday, but they didn't because their hatred of Hillary was so intense that they voted for a narcissistic sociopath. Now they and all of us have to deal with the shit storm they left behind.

    Thanks, Bernie.