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Is Jill Stein a Spoiler?

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    Comey gave Trump the presidency and Trump gave Comey the shaft.
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    Yes it was a perfect storm of events that gave us the worst president ever...Comey, Bernie or busters, Russians trolls, Jill Stein, and more. But Trump didn't get 63 million votes solely because of those events. He got many of those votes because of the ignorance and prejudices of the American people who voted their emotions (e.g. their dark sides) and tribes.

    Democracy requires an informed citizenry that can vote intelligently. Otherwise they become prey to demagogues and con artists like Trump.

    Jill Stein's "hate campaign" against Hillary served it's purpose. She said she cannot tell the difference between Trump and Clinton. Well, I had a hard time telling the difference between the passionate Stein's supporters and Trump's supporters. "Fuck Hillary, Fuck Hillary" is what you might certainly hear at a Trump rally, but it was also yelled by the Stein faithful at a Stein rally.

    Hate is not just a characteristic of the far right Trump supporters. Now it seems to becoming more mainstream in our political discourse.

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    Allen Clifton, Forward Progressive, July 31, 2017: Green Party Hero Jill Stein Snaps, Outrageously Defends North Korea, Russia, and Trump (Video)

    I share Clifton's views on Jill Stein. Here's a few extracts:

    "As a progressive, I’ve made no secret of my disdain for Green Party hero Jill Stein. While I don’t personally know her, she strikes me as an egotistical, petty, in-it-for-herself fraud who boosts herself, not by actually making a difference, but by pandering to people who are naive enough to think she knows what she’s talking about.

    "This is also a woman who said Hillary Clinton was more dangerous than Donald Trump and that there were “no differences” between the former Secretary of State and the guy currently calling himself “president.”

    "I’m not saying someone has to be a fan of Clinton, but to claim that there are no differences between her and Trump, or that she’s actually worse, is the definition of stupidity and ignorance — which Stein displays frequently."

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    You can read the rest of Clifton's article at the above link.

    While Jared and I have piled on the Bernie or Busters for voting for Trump, Jill Stein also shares some of the blame for Hillary's loss. I remember her campaign vividly. Who needs Russian bots when you have Jill Stein doing the same work as the bots? She is a demagogue, and in that respect she is just like Trump.

    She still has not adequately explained that photo of her sitting at the same table as Putin in Russia.

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    Throughout the campaign almost everybody thought Hillary was a guaranteed walk away winner of the election. Now the reaction to the results is the campaign was a battle all the way with no guarantee or hope of winning. That it was always known that it would come down to the wire being decided by just a few votes. Now assigning blame to how those few votes ended up on Trump's side. That is total denial of losing a sure thing. Time would better be spent figuring out how a sure thing came down to a few votes instead of a landslide Hillary victory. Want to lose another election keep on believing Hillary was cheated . Face the facts that she lost a sure thing and come up with a platform to win. Feel sorry for poor people and put money back into the economy creating jobs and prosperity.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

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    "nor the "dumb" States should be given priorities."

    Discriminating against the mentally challenged??? But as I have said before Democracy is mob rule. If the electoral college is removed then the biggest mob, California, will pick all the future presidents . As bad as it is the electoral college does stand in the way of mob rule. Polls are no good when one answer to a question connotates a more controversial answer as opposed to the other answer being politically correct. That is why Trump was behind in the polls. California was the source of Hillary's popular win. Look at Pennnsylvania , Hillary campaigned and spent money there and still lost Pennsylvania. ***

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    I believe a country should be run by someone with "brains" and proper education as well should be qualified for the job by having analytical experience. Being "narscisistic" does not qualify a person. I'm afraid that those proper qualifications never rise to an Presidents level because of our stupid antique election system as well no proper vetting laws. It seems only lots of money and push by the rich produce the present result, which means that this country will eventually go down the drain.
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Dutch said:

    "nor the "dumb" States should be given priorities."

    Discriminating against the mentally challenged??? But as I have said before Democracy is mob rule. If the electoral college is removed then the biggest mob, California, will pick all the future presidents . As bad as it is the electoral college does stand in the way of mob rule. Polls are no good when one answer to a question connotates a more controversial answer as opposed to the other answer being politically correct. That is why Trump was behind in the polls. California was the source of Hillary's popular win. Look at Pennnsylvania , Hillary campaigned and spent money there and still lost Pennsylvania. ***

    *** Footnote will be presented later if needed.

    I believe a country should be run by someone with "brains" and proper education as well should be qualified for the job by having analytical experience. Being "narscisistic" does not qualify a person. I'm afraid that those proper qualifications never rise to an Presidents level because of our stupid antique election system as well no proper vetting laws. It seems only lots of money and push by the rich produce the present result, which means that this country will eventually go down the drain.
    Anything is possible with a democracy. That is why the electorate can carry the blame while the powers that be buy all the laws they want through the lobbyist. Completely opposite of a democracy. Therefore we spend the most money with the least return.