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    There are 15 signs that a person has a narcissistic personality, and Trump shows signs of ALL of them. In my view, the most troubling is "lack of empathy", since it will (and has) cost people their lives.

    https://www.activebeat.com/your-health/7-symptoms-of-narcissistic-personality-disorder/15/

    As a commander in chief, he has little concern for our men and women in uniform, a topic that is near and dear to a guy named Bruce Springsteen.

    The link below goes into more detail about Springsteen's help for our returning warriors:

    https://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2019/06/born-on-4th-of-july.html

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    AZ, that is a good article that explains Trump's mental health problems pretty well. Trump is one Fucked up individual, and because of those disorders, he truly is living in an alternate reality from the rest of the world. In the classic term, he is functionally insaine. For Trump 1+1 = 2 sometimes, but most of the time 1+1 =3, or =7, or = -34, etc. At any give time he can twist information in his mind so that fits the reality he wants, not the reality that exists based on facts.

    Another way to looked at, imagine being in a dream state 100% of the time. Everything seems perfectly real no matter absurd it might be. While in a dream state, if a tree talks to you, that's normal. If dogs can fly, that is normal too. With Trump, everything he says and does seems normal to him; when he lies, he truly believes he is telling the truth 100% of the time. He might even believe that when he speaks, reality changes to match the words that comes out of mouth. If he were to say the sky is green, he would look up and see a green sky, and say that anybody who disagrees is wrong or a liar, and he would believe it 100%; no doubt in his mind what-s0-ever.

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    There has a been some talk by political analysts that Trump originally withdrew from the Iran agreement last year because he believed Iran and the rest of world would come back begging him to work out a new Trump deal. During theoretical new negotiations Trump would do some saber rattling, rearrange some paragraphs from the previous Obama Treaty, changes some dates, but more-less it would be 99% the same agreement that was previously in place. Trump getting what he wanted, Obama's name replaced with his as the president behind the deal, but in reality would be Obama Treaty.

    This is a common sleazy business tactic; a sleazy person within a company steals the credit for the work of others by simply changing the name on documents as to who should get credit for the work done. Often someone higher in company stealing credit from subordinates.

    This is the primary reason Trump does not want to go to war. If at war, he'll never get to steal the credit for Obama's deal, and as pointed out, Iran is likely to play Whack-a-mole; when the US Attacks Iran, they attack one of their neighbors instead. US bombs Iran, Iran bombs Israel, or Egypt and so on. Iran knows it can't hurt the US, but they sure can hurt US allies in the Mideast.

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    Trump calls off a retaliatory strike on Iran because he's worried about killing people? That's a fucking stretch.
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    Dockadams Wrote: Trump calls off a retaliatory strike on Iran because he's worried about killing people? That's a fucking stretch.

    ... And your understating it! He wouldn't give a flying fuck if 100,000 people were killed if he felt it was to his personal benefit. Seriously, Trump is emotionally\mentally unable to empathize with anybody; there is no difference between 1 person dying and 100,000. He could watch waterboarding all day and not be bothered by it. He would fall asleep from boredom before he had any empathy.

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    wwjd Wrote:

    There has a been some talk by political analysts that Trump originally withdrew from the Iran agreement last year because he believed Iran and the rest of world would come back begging him to work out a new Trump deal. During theoretical new negotiations Trump would do some saber rattling, rearrange some paragraphs from the previous Obama Treaty, changes some dates, but more-less it would be 99% the same agreement that was previously in place. Trump getting what he wanted, Obama's name replaced with his as the president behind the deal, but in reality would be Obama Treaty.

    This is a common sleazy business tactic; a sleazy person within a company steals the credit for the work of others by simply changing the name on documents as to who should get credit for the work done. Often someone higher in company stealing credit from subordinates.

    This is the primary reason Trump does not want to go to war. If at war, he'll never get to steal the credit for Obama's deal, and as pointed out, Iran is likely to play Whack-a-mole; when the US Attacks Iran, they attack one of their neighbors instead. US bombs Iran, Iran bombs Israel, or Egypt and so on. Iran knows it can't hurt the US, but they sure can hurt US allies in the Mideast.

    wwjd, Yes you may be absolutely right; that is the way little children play. Don'you think that it is kind of strange that you and I think that way, but neither the "media" or the Dem's see it this way?
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    "Fat ass" Mike Pompeo is in Saudi Arabia today having discussions with King Salman. He also will be meeting with MBS.The main purpose of his visit is to build a "global coalition" against Iran, which he says is the world's largest sponsor of terror.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/06/iran-tensions-latest-updates-190621103437644.html

    Mike, did you know that 15 of the 19 terrorists on 9/11 were Saudi citizens?

    Did you also not know that Saudi Arabia, not Iran, is actually the top sponsor of terrorism?

    During the 1970's, the Saudis used windfall profits from the spike in oil prices to fund Wahhabi projects around the world. The Center for Security Policy called the Wahhabi expansion "the largest propaganda campaign ever mounted".

    The Saudis participated in the effort to defeat the Soviet Union in Afghanistan and were instrumental in the creation of both al-Qaeda and the Taliban. Saudi Arabia worked closely with Pakistan to fund and support the Afghan Mujahideen. The Saudis provided hundreds of millions of dollars per year, totaling ultimately well over a billion dollars. The Saudi Osama bin Laden worked closely with both the CIA and private Saudi citizens to fund the operation in Afghanistan. By 1984, he was running the Maktab al-Khidamar, an organization set up by the Pakistani intelligence to funnel "money, arms, and fighters from the outside world in the Afghan war

    Although the article posted below is long, it is worth reading:

    https://www.newsbud.com/2017/04/30/saudi-arabia-is-the-top-sponsor-of-terrorism-not-iran/

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    Arizona, how come we know all of this , but Pompeo does not? Yes he's about the dumbest ass I've ever seen. Guess where Mecca is. Even Kussner seems to have no clue, that they would love to eradicate Israel. It is time that all these "evangelicals" go back to school and learn what Saudia Arabia is all about.

    Excellent "thread" Arizona!!!

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    Dutch Wrote:

    Arizona, how come we know all of this , but Pompeo does not? Yes he's about the dumbest ass I've ever seen. Guess where Mecca is. Even Kussner seems to have no clue, that they would love to eradicate Israel. It is time that all these "evangelicals" go back to school and learn what Saudia Arabia is all about.

    Excellent "thread" Arizona!!!

    Think of it this way, imagine what would happen to a professional sport, such as NFL or NBA, if suddenly all the key people at the top, the owner, the couches, etc, were replaced by some of the worst people from little league teams around the country. Not the best, but the worst. Well that is exactly what we have in the White House. They get the job because they are the worst, everybody else does not want to work for Donald Trump.

    Trump's thoughts on hiring people to work for him. Trump: "The last question I always ask every candidate is 'To get this job, are you willing to such my dick right now?'.... If they answer yes, then I know they will always do what I ask, including lying, breaking the law, or even go to jail for me. If someone will suck dick to get a job, they'll do anything"

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    wwjd, Yes you are right; all the needed "vetting" is no longer done the proper way; not even in the past. In Washington , it is only "who you know" and if they can "use you" to advance themselves; it also helps if you have "money" or access to it.

    In Trump's case "loyalty" and of course you have to be more stupid than he is, otherwise he sees you as "competition" for his job. Pompeo, Bolton, Pence, Kudlow etc. all got their job because they will "lie" for him all day and play "dumb" assholes in their job, because they were never "vetted properly" for having any substantial knowledge about the job they got.

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    This was published today:

    TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran on Tuesday sharply criticized new U.S. sanctions targeting the Islamic Republic's supreme leader and other top officials, saying the measures spell the "permanent closure" for diplomacy between the two nations. Iran's president described the White House as "afflicted by mental retardation."

    President Hassan Rouhani went on to call the sanctions against Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei "outrageous and idiotic," especially as the 80-year-old Shiite cleric has no plans to ever travel to the United States.

    From Israel, Trump's national security adviser John Bolton said talks with the U.S. were still possible and that the U.S. is leaving an "open door" for Iran to walk through.

    But the comments from Tehran clearly show its leaders think otherwise at a time of heightened tensions between Washington and Tehran over its nuclear program and Iran's downing of a U.S. military surveillance drone last week.

    "The fruitless sanctions on Iran's leadership and the chief of Iranian diplomacy mean the permanent closure of the road of diplomacy with the frustrated U.S. administration," said Abbas Mousavi, a Foreign Ministry spokesman, according to the state-run IRNA news agency.

    The crisis gripping the Middle East is rooted in President Donald Trump's withdrawal of the U.S. a year ago from Iran's 2015 nuclear deal and imposing crippling new sanctions on Tehran. Recently, Iran quadrupled its production of low-enriched uranium to be on pace to break one of the deal's terms by Thursday while also threatening to raise enrichment closer to weapons-grade levels on July 7 — if Europe doesn't offer a new deal.

    Citing unspecified Iranian threats, the U.S. has sent an aircraft carrier to the Middle East and deployed additional troops alongside the tens of thousands already there. All this has raised fears that a miscalculation or further rise in tensions could push the U.S. and Iran into an open conflict, 40 years after the Islamic Revolution.

    Trump enacted the new sanctions on Monday against Khamenei and his associates.

    The sanctions follow Iran's downing last week of a U.S. surveillance drone, worth over $100 million, over the Strait of Hormuz, an attack that sharply escalated the crisis in the Persian Gulf. After the downing of the drone, Trump pulled back from the brink of retaliatory military strikes but continued his pressure campaign against Iran.

    U.S. officials also said they plan sanctions against Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif, something that drew Rouhani's anger during his televised address on Tuesday.

    "You sanction the foreign minister simultaneously with a request for talks," an exasperated Rouhani said and called the sanctions "outrageous and idiotic."

    "The White House is afflicted by mental retardation and does not know what to do," Rouhani added.

    There was no immediate reaction from Washington early on Tuesday to the remarks from Iran. The sharp comments are reminiscent of North Korea's verbal attacks on Trump before the dramatic change in course and the start of negotiations with Washington. In 2017, state media quoted North Korean leader Kim Jong Un calling Trump "the mentally deranged U.S. dotard."

    However, in Iran's case, there are no signs Iranian leadership would welcome talks.

    Mousavi's statement echoed that of Iran's U.N. ambassador, Majid Takht Ravanchi, who warned on Monday that the situation in the Persian Gulf is "very dangerous" and said any talks with the U.S. are impossible in the face of escalating sanctions and intimidation. Meanwhile, the U.S. envoy at the United Nations, Jonathan Cohen, said the Trump administration's aim is to get Tehran back to negotiations.

    The sanctions were announced as U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo held talks in the Middle East with officials in the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia about building a broad, global coalition that includes Asian and European countries to counter Iran. Pompeo is likely to face a tough sell in Europe and Asia, particularly from those nations still committed to the 2015 nuclear deal.

    Meanwhile, U.S. National Security Adviser John Bolton said Trump was open to real negotiations to eliminate Iran's nuclear weapons program and "all that Iran needs to do is walk through that open door."

    Bolton was meeting with his Russian and Israel counterparts in a first-of-its-kind trilateral security summit in Jerusalem that was focused on Iranian involvement in conflicts across the region, particularly in neighboring Syria.

    "As we speak, American diplomatic representatives are surging across the Middle East, seeking a path to peace. In response, Iran's silence has been deafening," he said. "There is simply no evidence that Iran has made the strategic decision to renounce nuclear weapons and open realistic discussions to demonstrate that decision."

    But only hours later, Bolton told a news conference that "all options remain on the table" if Iran goes over the limit for its low-enriched uranium stockpile as planned by Thursday.

    "It would not be in their interest to do it but they have done a lot of things recently that are not in their interest," Bolton said.

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    Calling a spade a spade ....

    Trump ordered new sanctions on Iran this week, which led President Hassan Rouhani to call the White House "mentally retarded" - which I would agree with entirely.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/25/world/middleeast/iran-rouhani-us-sanctions.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

    As a result of the new sanctions, the chances for a diplomatic solution to the problem are now diminished.

    Rouhani, by the way, is considered to be a "moderate" who is/was open to negotiations with the United States, which Trump has now f****d up to a fare thee well.

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    This shows that Bolton (who is in Israel) of course gets "instructed" how the US should act. I love the statement" afflicted by mental retardation" in the W.H. (it happens to be true). While also Pompeo is talking to Saudia Arabia (to get their support, while Kussner is selling them "nuke" materials). Shaking my old head. Thus in other words have Israel (having an Jewish country tie up with an original Muslim country to fight other thinking Muslims and tie those up with US Christian "evangelicals" ( Pompeo, Pence, Bolton) who love to carry out an invasion on Iran (which country also have Muslims of an different sect). So what can go wrong"? ( 3 different religions ganging up on "one", who is a bit different?) Yes it is worse than "mental" retardation! Like I've said years ago: "Religion is the curse of humanity"

    Do we really want the whole of the "middle east" to end up in flames? Was the Iraq war not enough? Are the "evangelicals" then happy (I doubt it)?

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    Iran has exceeded the limit on the amount of enriched uranium in its stockpile set out in the 2015 nuclear deal with world powers, Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif has said, according to the country's semi-official ISNA news agency.

    European allies who support the nuclear deal say Trump's decision to quit the accord was a mistake that has strengthened Iran's hardline faction, weakened its pragmatists and raised the prospect of open conflict in the Middle East.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/07/iran-nuclear-deal-tehran-breaches-enriched-uranium-limit-190701095502586.html

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    Fareed did have an excellent review of the Iran situation. It is very clear that all of this is an total Trump "self inflicted" wound. The same as was shown with Israel where Nethanyahoo follows the Trump doctrine and now is accused of "corruption", that being in his position, he finds that he should be above the law and can't be indicted; the same as Trump and Barr propagate. Shaking my old head; how is it possible that a few screwed up people manage to ruin the whole world.