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  • Independent
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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    Fortunately, our allies in Europe know that the "threat" from Iran is nonsense. If Trump (or Bolton) is dumb enough to escalate the situation, they are not going to get any sympathy from anybody else.

    Intelligence and military officials in Europe as well as in the United States said that over the past year, most aggressive moves have originated not in Tehran, but in Washington — where John R. Bolton, the national security adviser, has prodded President Trump into backing Iran into a corner.

    The anti-Iran push has proved difficult even among the allies, which remember a similar campaign against Iraq that was led in part by Mr. Bolton and was fueled by false claims that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/world/middleeast/trump-iran-threats.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

    Bolton and trump are out of luck; Iran just announced that they absolutely don't want an war and will not instigate it.

    But yeah Trump and Bolton may be stupid enough to start something. The UN may interfere as well this time I hope.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    “You know what uranium is, right? It’s this thing called nuclear weapons. And other things. Like lots of things are done with uranium. Including some bad things. But nobody talks about that.” -- Donald Trump press conference , 2017

    "Trust me, I'm like a smart person." -- Donald Trump (said on many other occasions).

    So when Trump overrides General Mattis, and the scientists and experts from France, Britain, Russia, China, and Germany in announcing his withdrawal from the Iran Nuclear Agreement, just remember how smart he says he is. He understands "uranium". Trust him.

    Yes you've got it right; Trump and his "idiots" have no clue about Iran. They are certainly better educated than Trump. But yeah, the evangelicals have no clue either because they've got the Israel sickness and have to protect the "dust" of Jesus.
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    Dutch Wrote:
    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    Fortunately, our allies in Europe know that the "threat" from Iran is nonsense. If Trump (or Bolton) is dumb enough to escalate the situation, they are not going to get any sympathy from anybody else.

    Intelligence and military officials in Europe as well as in the United States said that over the past year, most aggressive moves have originated not in Tehran, but in Washington — where John R. Bolton, the national security adviser, has prodded President Trump into backing Iran into a corner.

    The anti-Iran push has proved difficult even among the allies, which remember a similar campaign against Iraq that was led in part by Mr. Bolton and was fueled by false claims that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/world/middleeast/trump-iran-threats.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

    Bolton and trump are out of luck; Iran just announced that they absolutely don't want an war and will not instigate it.

    But yeah Trump and Bolton may be stupid enough to start something. The UN may interfere as well this time I hope.

    The UN won’t interfere. The U.S. will veto anything and everything. The U.S. only pays attention to the UN when it wants something. Being a permanent member of the security council means that we can do whatever the fuck we want.

    The main problem with the Idiot-in-Chief and his chicken hawk sidekick is that an invasion of Iran would make Iraq look like a walk in the park.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    In response to attacks on two oil pipelines in Saudi Arabia, the Saudi-UAE coalition launched 11 attacks on Yemen's capital of Sanaa. The air strikes came two days after Houthi, the Iran-aligned rebels, claimed drone attacks that temporarily shut a key oil pipeline in neighbouring Saudi Arabia. The head of the Houthis' Supreme Revolutionary Committee denied that Iran directed the strike and said the movement manufactures its drones locally. Tehran also denies providing arms to the Houthis.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/

    In April, Congress passed a bipartisan resolution to end American military involvement in Yeman. The measure was a rebuke of Mr. Trump’s support for Saudi Arabia even after the killing of the dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi. It was opposed by several of the president’s top advisers, including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and the national security adviser, John R. Bolton (Dr. Strangelove) according to people who spoke with White House officials.

    Naturally, Trump vetoed it on April 16.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/us/politics/trump-veto-yemen.html

    As you are well aware, we've been drawn into costly wars under false pretenses at least twice before. Vietnam was the first, and the 2003 Iraq war was the second. John Bolton was one of the strongest supporters of the Iraq conflict. Details on the first two BIG LIES can be found in the link below:

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2018/08/gulf-of-tonkin.html

    Today, John Bolton is pushing the BIG LIE that Iran is behind the attacks on the oil pipelines and the two oil carriers in order to justify ramping up our military involvement near Iran. Hopefully, Congress will be brave enough to tell him to go to hell (where he'll be heading eventually anyway).

    Since World War II, the US has embarked on major wars in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq, none of which have ended well, let alone in victory. And still, the US continues to act like a "hyper-power", insisting on being the world's self-appointed sheriff.

    Ironically, the EU does agree with Trump that some changes need to be made by Iran, but they have widely different ways of achieve their goals. Europe is smart enough to know that diplomacy is almost always better than military action. The Europeans want to see the US lead by the power of its example, not by an example of its power

    Trump thinks it's better to be a bully.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/iran-west-europe-restrain-190515103122141.html

  • Liberal Democrat
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    John Bolton is Trump's third National Security adviser.

    Michael Flynn lasted from January 20, 2017 to February 20, 2017.

    H.H. McMaster served from February 20, 2017 until April 9, 2018, but he had resigned on March 22.

    John Bolten took over the position on April 9, 2018.

    This morning's Washington Post reported that Trump is frustrated by both Bolton and Mike Pompeo. Trump “wants to talk to the Iranians; he wants a deal” and is open to negotiation with the Iranian government. If that ever came about, it is likely to turn out just as well as his second meeting with Kim Jong Un.

    Trump’s anger over what he considered a more warlike footing than he wanted was a main driver in Pompeo’s decision last weekend to suddenly cancel a stop in Moscow and on short notice fly instead to Brussels, where he sought meetings on Monday with the European nations that are parties to the Iran nuclear deal.

    Our best hope to avoid an invasion of Iran is, ironically enough, our military. Multiple officials said uniformed officers from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, led by its chairman, Marine Corps Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr., have been among the leading voices articulating the costs of war with Iran.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=john+bolton&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS816US816&oq=john+bolton&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.2767j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&safe=active&ssui=on

    If I were a betting man (and I am) I'm pretty sure that John Bolton will not be our National Security adviser by October of 2020.

    If you think that history does not repeat itself, consider the fact that Liz Cheney (Dick's daughter) recently argued that intelligence warranted an escalation against Iran. Her dad, of course, was a "true believer" about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq in 2003. His old firm, Haliburton, made a profit of $39.5 billion from the war, after he got a $34 million "golden parahute" from the company,

    https://www.quora.com/How-much-money-did-Dick-Cheney-make-from-the-wars-in-Iraq-and-Afghanistan

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Just when you think that Trump couldn't possibly get any dumber - he does.

    According to recent reports from the Washington Post, the United Kingdom, France, and Germany have spent months in negotiation with the U.S. State Department in regard to a reconstructed version of the Iran nuclear deal. And they were all furious when, despite the fact that they had been close to a deal in April, Trump decided to completely ignore our ally’s concerns, and tear up the Iran nuclear agreement without reading a word.

    http://dctribune.org/us-allies-furious-after-trump-refused-to-read-and-tore-up-report-on-iran-nuclear-deal-they-prepared-for-him/

  • Independent
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    Arizona; you should know by now, that the "advisers" HE selected are even dumber than he is; otherwise he can't claim he's so smart and intelligent. People who had even an tiny bit of brains were all tossed out. So are you surprised? Chaos is the name and will continue as long as this total uneducated idiot stays in power. Jared says we have to have patience; I wished that would be right, however if we let this guy continue as now, then patience will only make things even worse.

    By the way you are doing a great job and have the best "threads" of all. Thanks, at least you know how things work in this world.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Strangely enough, it is Trump himself who will keep us out of a war with Iran.

    Yesterday, he contradicted his advisers (again) by stating that "we have no indication that anything's happened or will happen. But if it does, it will be met obviously with great force. We'll have no choice".

    https://washingtonpress.com/2019/05/20/trumps-big-mouth-just-accidentally-revealed-republican-hawks-are-lying-about-iran/?fbclid=IwAR3ATvp4Gwczpb5FFrLYSedMtid8bgpr1gSoitmFr4aXq_evDuWgKDE04t8