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    Think of it as trump running a Social Ponzi Scheme.

    There is so much confusion and double talk that nobody is clear what is true and what is not. Lies are mixed in with the truth so a statement contains a small percentage of facts\truth, but most of it is total fiction from the fucked up mind of trump. Then, keep changing the story, telling different people different things. What? Who? Where? When? Confused? But what about yesterday?

    The key part is never admit it is a total mind fuck; keep people off balance so they never are able to sort it out.

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    According to Giuliani, Trump's payment to Stormy was a typical "Expenditure".

    It's a Twilight Zone alternate reality. In this mondo-bizarreo reality, affairs by a president are normal.

    Is Giuliani just as crazy as trump.

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    So, Juliani said it's possible that Trump paid Cohen to pay off other women (porn stars, hookers, etc., etc.)

    isn't it apparent that Mr. President can't seem to keep his dick in his pants? I wonder what Melania thinks of her adulterating husband? Could Melania end up being the next Lorena Bobbitt?

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    If 44 did 10% of what 45 is doing, the right would be screaming loudly.

    They know how to speak a message. We won't utilize this opportunity to the fullest extent. Won't raise our voices..... We should question everything and make a strong argument for being a much better option. I don't agree with what Perez said on the Sunday morning news magazines today. He said nothing. That's our man.

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    Who would ever trust a man whose first name is Rudolph? The only Rudolph I have ever known was a fictional character Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer. Why would parents ever do that to a child?

    You do a bing or google search, and this is what you get:

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    Here is a Giuliani quote from an George Stephanopoulos interview yesterday.

    GS : "Why don't you tell the president to meet with Mueller and tell the truth?"

    Giuliani: "I wouldn't be an attorney if I did that. I would be living in a some kind of unreal fantasy world where people tell the truth"

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    The new norm is lying is acceptable. I dunno man, when I was a child, telling lies got me into very hot water. Today, it seems to be okay.

    Even the garage where I used to have my car serviced is full of liars. But, they're just after my wallet and checkbook. Not acceptable, that's why there's millions of other lying mechanics out here. None will be straight with you.

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    Dockadams Wrote:

    The new norm is lying is acceptable. I dunno man, when I was a child, telling lies got me into very hot water. Today, it seems to be okay.

    Even the garage where I used to have my car serviced is full of liars. But, they're just after my wallet and checkbook. Not acceptable, that's why there's millions of other lying mechanics out here. None will be straight with you.

    Yes, that is what you get if you elect an "lying" con-man in the White House; he is the example which gets copied country wide. If he gets away with it why not the whole population?
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    Giuliani days are numbered. trump is already thinking about getting rid of him. It is just is a matter of having a good lie for firing him.

    My guess is that Giuliani will be gone by the end of this month (May).

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    Dockadams Wrote:

    The new norm is lying is acceptable. I dunno man, when I was a child, telling lies got me into very hot water. Today, it seems to be okay.

    Even the garage where I used to have my car serviced is full of liars. But, they're just after my wallet and checkbook. Not acceptable, that's why there's millions of other lying mechanics out here. None will be straight with you.

    I worked with a guy that would replace perfectly good parts, make 100% profit off the replacement parts, then later he would re-sell the parts he kept after fixing non-existent problems. It was like triple dipping. 1) fix original problem 2) fix non existent problems, 3) re-sell parts from non existent problem to other customers.

    His best skill was conning people into thinking they had additional problems so he could fake-fix things and charge them premium prices. Customers left thinking they saved themselves a lot money, when in fact they were being conned for 100s or 1000s.

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    wwjd Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote:

    The new norm is lying is acceptable. I dunno man, when I was a child, telling lies got me into very hot water. Today, it seems to be okay.

    Even the garage where I used to have my car serviced is full of liars. But, they're just after my wallet and checkbook. Not acceptable, that's why there's millions of other lying mechanics out here. None will be straight with you.

    I worked with a guy that would replace perfectly good parts, make 100% profit off the replacement parts, then later he would re-sell the parts he kept after fixing non-existent problems. It was like triple dipping. 1) fix original problem 2) fix non existent problems, 3) re-sell parts from non existent problem to other customers.

    His best skill was conning people into thinking they had additional problems so he could fake-fix things and charge them premium prices. Customers left thinking they saved themselves a lot money, when in fact they were being conned for 100s or 1000s.

    Me too JD, without the hashtag. Perhaps we know the same person? I worked as an auto tech at the Navy exchange at Great Lakes Naval Training Center, and there was a guy working there as a tech, who would write stuff on customer invoices of work performed that he didn't do, and a customer couldn't prove if he did or didn't. Take for instance fuel injection cleaning...nobody can prove if the work was done or not. It's so easy to get away with lying.

    youtube.com/watch?v=UafY49eQDkc

    But you know, dishonesty has gotten even worse now that it was, let's say 10 to 15 years ago. Today, it's not little white lies, it's more like whoppers. And people seem to get away with it, like Trump and Juliani are chronic pathological liars, and get away with them because they've got everyone (almost everyone) convinced that what they say is fact.

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    "Truth in advertising" Companies have distorted the truth so much for so long that people are immune to lies. Over 2400 lies by Trump and no public outcry shows the US insensitivity to lying. At the least some parental group like the PTA should file a cease and desist case against Trump for lying. Being President of the United States has been paraded before school kids as the ultimate goal that could be reached by anybody working hard enough to attain. Trump has destroyed that image.
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    In a sense, both Trump and Giuliani share some of the same personality traits. I'm not a psychologist and therefore am not qualified to make any kind of clinical mental assessments of our politicians, but consider this from Psychology Today:

    "The hallmarks of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) are grandiosity, a lack of empathy for other people, and a need for admiration. People with this condition are frequently described as arrogant, self-centered, manipulative, and demanding. They may also concentrate on grandiose fantasies (e.g. their own success, beauty, brilliance) and may be convinced that they deserve special treatment. These characteristics typically begin in early adulthood and must be consistently evident in multiple contexts, such as at work and in relationships.

    "People with narcissistic personality disorder believe they are superior or special, and often try to associate with other people they believe are unique or gifted in some way. This association enhances their self-esteem, which is typically quite fragile underneath the surface. Individuals with NPD seek excessive admiration and attention in order to know that others think highly of them. Individuals with narcissistic personality disorder have difficulty tolerating criticism or defeat, and may be left feeling humiliated or empty when they experience an "injury" in the form of criticism or rejection."

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    You can read more of the symptoms in the Psychology Today article. Certainly, all those symptoms can be applied to Donald Trump. However, Rudy Giuliani is one who seems to associate with or share Trump's beliefs. In the pecking order of animal behavior, Giuliani would be right there with or right below Trump in terms of the need to dominate.

    This Huffington Post article on Rudy from 2008 is relevant:

    Rudy Giuliani’s Nasty Little Divorce and Why it’s Relevant to America’s Vote

    Nasty people attract each other....

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    I think we can safely say that both are crazies.

    Lucy probably thinks so too.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    In a sense, both Trump and Giuliani share some of the same personality traits. I'm not a psychologist and therefore am not qualified to make any kind of clinical mental assessments of our politicians, but consider this from Psychology Today:

    "The hallmarks of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) are grandiosity, a lack of empathy for other people, and a need for admiration. People with this condition are frequently described as arrogant, self-centered, manipulative, and demanding. They may also concentrate on grandiose fantasies (e.g. their own success, beauty, brilliance) and may be convinced that they deserve special treatment. These characteristics typically begin in early adulthood and must be consistently evident in multiple contexts, such as at work and in relationships.

    "People with narcissistic personality disorder believe they are superior or special, and often try to associate with other people they believe are unique or gifted in some way. This association enhances their self-esteem, which is typically quite fragile underneath the surface. Individuals with NPD seek excessive admiration and attention in order to know that others think highly of them. Individuals with narcissistic personality disorder have difficulty tolerating criticism or defeat, and may be left feeling humiliated or empty when they experience an "injury" in the form of criticism or rejection."

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    You can read more of the symptoms in the Psychology Today article. Certainly, all those symptoms can be applied to Donald Trump. However, Rudy Giuliani is one who seems to associate with or share Trump's beliefs. In the pecking order of animal behavior, Giuliani would be right there with or right below Trump in terms of the need to dominate.

    This Huffington Post article on Rudy from 2008 is relevant:

    Rudy Giuliani’s Nasty Little Divorce and Why it’s Relevant to America’s Vote

    Nasty people attract each other....

    Yes, Schmidt totally correct; but the question remains what is this country and its Congress doing about it ? Until now Nada!! Like Obama said: Totally unfit for this job!