Forum Thread

The Syrian stupidity

Reply to ThreadDisplaying 61 - 68 of 68 Prev 1 2 3 4 5
  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?

    Did you expect anything else from the W.H.? If they jump right on it, means that there is truth in it. Wake up FBI and CIA are you sound asleep or threatened? Where is Pelosi? she should ask immediately for an investigation as well for the Epstein case. Yes in the meantime, indeed the FBI was warned not to touch the case!!!

    Right now it looks more like another "Ukraine" happening with lots of more money and family involved.

    Kussner is the "culprit" in this story; he "loaned " lots of money from the Saudi's; he is therefore being used; according to the news and was also totally involved in the Khashoggi murder and somehow also involved in the Kurd debacle via pressure on Trump by the Saudi's. May be Arizona/Schmidt can dig up this story. It is complicated but don't underestimate the Trump family. Also the Trump family is now opening an new golf course in Dubai. An question was raised; is there any of our "tax money involved? ( such as diverted "backpocket" money from the "wall"?) Hmmmm!

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
    Kussner loaning money from an "foreign" entity who has an very doubtful past and is part of the "royal family", I wonder if that is "legal"? He's an absolute security risk as has been proven with the shit over his security clearance. It is time someone investigates his "dealing" and "wheeling". But yeah Trump made sure that his family is above the law, so he can't be investigated.
  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?

    Trump dismisses UN request for FBI to investigate Jamal Khashoggi's murder

    This article is more than 4 months old

    • President suggests it would jeopardise weapons sales to Saudis
    • The Guardian view on Jamal Khashoggi’s murder

    Jon Swaine


    Sun 23 Jun 2019 12.57 EDTFirst published on Sun 23 Jun 2019 09.49 EDT

    A demonstrator holds a poster with a picture of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi outside the Saudi Arabia consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, on October 2018.

    A demonstrator holds a poster with a picture of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi outside the Saudi Arabia consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, on October 2018. Photograph: Osman Örsal/Reuters

    Donald Trump has dismissed a United Nations request for the FBI to investigate the murder of the dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi, suggesting it would jeopardise American weapons sales to Saudi Arabia.

    'We are coming to get you': recordings reveal Saudi plan for Khashoggi murder

    Read more

    A report on Khashoggi’s assassination published last week by the UN special rapporteur on extrajudicial killings said the US should open an FBI inquiry and “pursue criminal prosecutions within the United States, as appropriate”.

    But in an interview broadcast by NBC’s Meet the Press on Sunday Trump brushed the proposal aside.

    Asked if he would allow the FBI to investigate, Trump said: “I think it’s been heavily investigated.”

    Asked who had investigated, the president replied: “By everybody. I mean, I’ve seen so many different reports.”

    Khashoggi, 59, was a US resident who wrote for the Washington Post. He was killed and dismembered after he entered the Saudi consulate in Istanbul in October last year, seeking paperwork he needed in order to marry.

    The UN report contains disturbing details of conversations between unidentified Saudis before and after Khashoggi’s arrival, based on transcripts provided by Turkish authorities.

    Khashoggi is referred to as a “sacrificial animal”. One Saudi official is quoted as asking whether it would “be possible to put the trunk in a bag”. Another replies: “No. Too heavy. It is not a problem. The body is heavy. First time I cut on the ground. If we take plastic bags and cut it into pieces, it will be finished. We will wrap each of them.”

    Transcripts of conversations after Khashoggi’s arrival at the consulate include the journalist saying: “There is a towel here. Are you going to give me drugs?”

    The reply: “We will anaesthetise you.”

    The UN special rapporteur blamed the Saudi government for the murder and said there was credible evidence that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and other senior officials were responsible.

    Trump told NBC the murder “really didn’t come up” in a call this week with the prince, a key ally of the president’s senior adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner, who among other responsibilities is charged with implementing a plan for peace between Israel and the Palestinians.

    Trump also suggested Saudi Arabia was no worse than other states in the Middle East, which he called a “vicious, hostile place”, adding: “Look at Iran, look at other countries, I won’t mention names.”

    The president then cited a drastically overinflated figure for Saudi spending on US weapons that fact-checkers have previously noted does not match the official record.

    “I only say they spend $400bn to $450bn over a period of time, all money, all jobs, buying equipment,” Trump said.

    In fact Saudi Arabia last year signed “letters of offer and acceptance” for $14.5bn in military purchases from the US.

    The Senate last week voted to block the Trump administration selling arms to Saudi Arabia, seven Republicans joining Democrats to pass the measure. Trump has pledged to use his presidential veto and push on with the sales.

    While denying he was saying such purchases were “the price” for Khashoggi’s murder, Trump on Sunday defended his consideration of arms sales in responding to the assassination.

    “I’m not like a fool that says, ‘We don’t want to do business with them,’” Trump said. “And by the way, if they don’t do business with us, you know what they do? They’ll do business with the Russians or with the Chinese …

    The Guardian view on Jamal Khashoggi’s murder: Saudi Arabia and its friends

    Read more

    “We make the best equipment in the world, but they will buy great equipment from Russia and from China.”

    Prince Mohammed has denied responsibility for the murder. Eleven suspects are on trial in Riyadh, five of them facing the death penalty.

    Confronted with gruesome details from the UN report this week, Saudi minister of state for foreign affairs Adel al-Jubeir told CNN the report was “flawed”.

    “We know this was a rogue operation that was not authorised,” he said, “we know that a crime was committed, we have people in jail and on trial as we speak. It’s a gruesome murder that happened outside authorities and for which the people who committed it will be punished … this should never have happened.”

    Al-Jubeir also said “mechanisms” were being “put in place to ensure this does not happen again”.

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?


    The Trump family has woven a complicated web. The article below goes into a LOT of detail, but the essential point is that his 3 oldest children have profited tremendously from dad's presidency. During their father’s tenure as president, Don Jr. and Eric have repeatedly managed to cash in on their newfound positions of political privilege in their business dealings. So, too, have their sister Ivanka and brother-in-law Jared Kushner, both of whom hold senior positions in the administration and whose companies and investment portfolios netted them anywhere between $29 million and $135 million last year, per their financial disclosure forms. The most egregious example, of course, is the $1 billion that Kushner got (indirectly) from the Qatar government that saved his 5th Avenue white elephant.

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?

    We've strayed a bit on this topic from Syria to Saudi Arabia, so let's bring it back to Syria.

    Trump's subservience to dictators was

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?

    We've strayed a bit on this topic from Syria to Saudi Arabia, so let's bring it back to Syria.

    Trump's subservience to dictators was made obvious again this week. In a detailed memo to senators, the Trump administration is fighting a bill that would punish Turkey for buying Russian missiles, arguing it would drive the countries closer together. Of note, Team Trump opposes a provision in the bill that would help Syrian Kurdish refugees immigrate to the United States.

    Aykan Erdemir of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies argued that the administration’s opposition to the bill is useful for Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. “This would definitely encourage Erdogan to continue his transgressions,” Erdemir said.

    So ...

    Trump is helping both Erdogan and Putin, but screwing our Kurdish allies.

    Aaron Stein of the Foreign Policy Research Institute said the document sheds new light on the Trump administration’s opposition to the Hill’s sanctions.

    “It’s in far more detail than we’ve ever gotten,” Stein said. “They are legitimate criticisms of the bill, but the bill is probably going to happen because Donald Trump won’t take the deal. The art of the deal, the master of the deal is an effing moron. The thing to do is impose CAATSA and make this go away. It’s just that simple.”

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
    The "effing Moron" is as you said is too stupid to know what he's doing, especially in "foreign" matters. The biggest problem with this country is that they appoint people in the government who don't know anything about the world around them, let alone how to deal with other countries, because of the lack the knowledge of other types of government and cultures. Trump is an typical example of such. At least Obama had experience in Indonesia and other places and therefore understood the world better. The US has an "mental" problem; the constant "noise" about how "great" this country is as well "number one" in the world is an total "indoctrinated" lie. Looking at the "impeachment chaos" it shows clearly how our "laws" and governing system has not caught up into the 21st Century. It is purely laughable, like an court case where the judge, the jury, the witnesses all are "loyal" with the accused and are "bribed" beforehand. Astonished