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  • Independent
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    washingtonpost.com/politics/mueller-tol...

    I am unclear as to what it means to be a subject of an investigation, but not a target.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    As one of the journalists said, Trump enjoys being a "subject". I expect though he will tweet again..."no evidence" and "WITCH HUNT".

    Trump may take solace and relief that he is not a target, but that situation can change immediately as soon as he testifies.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    wwjd Wrote:

    washingtonpost.com/politics/mueller-tol...

    I am unclear as to what it means to be a subject of an investigation, but not a target.

    I think it means the Mueller team is poking around to see what fruits might fall from a tree when they shake it. Like a Flynn admittance of lying, asking him more questions might implicate others in the Trump circle of associates.
  • Independent
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    I still think because our laws stink, a President in this country can do as he/she likes. Just now again the Chinese put "tariffs" on all US imported goods; the Dow is dropping like a rock at least at opening 500 points. On top of that the scolding of Amazon hurts our own industries as well "bullying" foreign leaders. But yeah Ross "smiles" and loves it.

    Muellers hands are "tied" because of our stupid laws; Trump can always claim "the fifth" or 'pardon his "clan" and ruin this country day by day without consequences for him. Sorry but all of this is an self inflicted wound because of the lack of "EDUCATION" in this country, like teachers on strike because they can barely live and have no study books for the kids etc. Let alone the kids learn anything in States which are backwards, so the teachers there don't know anything either; but yeah Betsy DeVos is counting her billions that is more important.

    Like I said so many times: This country is going to hell in a rapid pace.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Excellent article in the Post. As I see it, here are the most relevant points:

    Prosecutors view someone as a subject when that person has engaged in conduct that is under investigation but there is not sufficient evidence to bring charges.

    Mueller reiterated the need to interview Trump

    Other advisers, however, noted that subjects of investigations can easily become indicted targets — and expressed concern that the special prosecutor was baiting Trump into an interview that could put the president in legal peril.

    … frustration that the president ignored his advice to refuse the special counsel’s request for an interview, according to a Trump friend.

    Mueller’s investigators have indicated to the president’s legal team that they are considering writing reports on their findings in stages -

    However, legal experts said Mueller’s description of Trump as a subject of a grand jury probe does not mean he is in the clear.

    A subject could become a target with his or her own testimony, legal experts warn.

    “The president’s personal risk is primarily on the impeachment front,”

    Since Trump is not exactly the sharpest tool in the tool box, he will eventually agree to talk with Mueller, and this will be the result:

    See the source image

  • Liberal Democrat
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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    Excellent article in the Post. As I see it, here are the most relevant points:

    Prosecutors view someone as a subject when that person has engaged in conduct that is under investigation but there is not sufficient evidence to bring charges.

    Mueller reiterated the need to interview Trump

    Other advisers, however, noted that subjects of investigations can easily become indicted targets — and expressed concern that the special prosecutor was baiting Trump into an interview that could put the president in legal peril.

    … frustration that the president ignored his advice to refuse the special counsel’s request for an interview, according to a Trump friend.

    Mueller’s investigators have indicated to the president’s legal team that they are considering writing reports on their findings in stages -

    However, legal experts said Mueller’s description of Trump as a subject of a grand jury probe does not mean he is in the clear.

    A subject could become a target with his or her own testimony, legal experts warn.

    “The president’s personal risk is primarily on the impeachment front,”

    Since Trump is not exactly the sharpest tool in the tool box, he will eventually agree to talk with Mueller, and this will be the result:

    See the source image

    The best we could hope for is that Trump agrees to a Mueller interview, and allows Trump to ramble on and thereby might spill some beans or let a few cats out of the bag, that would be great if it happened that way, I like the pic of shooting oneself in the foot, Trump seemingly does that quite often.
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    What I heard is different; according to people on MSNBC a "seating" President can not be indicted. Mueller can only hand over his report to Congress, who in turn either can impeach him (only by an majority of votes) or accuse him with a crime and try to have him resign. Since the GOP is in power, likely nothing will happen and they will keep supporting Trump and his cronies. Thus all the work of Mueller did may be for the cat's ass. Even then, Trump can always claim the "fifth" or "pardon witnesses.

    Like I said in so many of my threads; the laws for a President are awful here; in Europe the Prime Minister has no "power" and is more or less an "coordinator" . Here they actually are asking for an "corrupt/brainless/mafia dictator due to not having proper "vetting" nor "laws" preventing an leader to be a "loose cannon" or unfit for the job all the time. Even Mueller can't help it, due to our stupid laws and rules which make any President "holy" and untouchable.

    foto van Tina Hicks.

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    Dutch Wrote:

    What I heard is different; according to people on MSNBC a "seating" President can not be indicted. Mueller can only hand over his report to Congress, who in turn either can impeach him (only by an majority of votes) or accuse him with a crime and try to have him resign. Since the GOP is in power, likely nothing will happen and they will keep supporting Trump and his cronies. Thus all the work of Mueller did may be for the cat's ass. Even then, Trump can always claim the "fifth" or "pardon witnesses.

    Like I said in so many of my threads; the laws for a President are awful here; in Europe the Prime Minister has no "power" and is more or less an "coordinator" . Here they actually are asking for an "corrupt/brainless/mafia dictator due to not having proper "vetting" nor "laws" preventing an leader to be a "loose cannon" or unfit for the job all the time. Even Mueller can't help it, due to our stupid laws and rules which make any President "holy" and untouchable.

    foto van Tina Hicks.

    No replies; yes the truth hurts.
  • Center Left
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    Not a target..... ? Damn
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:

    What I heard is different; according to people on MSNBC a "seating" President can not be indicted. Mueller can only hand over his report to Congress, who in turn either can impeach him (only by an majority of votes) or accuse him with a crime and try to have him resign. Since the GOP is in power, likely nothing will happen and they will keep supporting Trump and his cronies. Thus all the work of Mueller did may be for the cat's ass. Even then, Trump can always claim the "fifth" or "pardon witnesses.

    Like I said in so many of my threads; the laws for a President are awful here; in Europe the Prime Minister has no "power" and is more or less an "coordinator" . Here they actually are asking for an "corrupt/brainless/mafia dictator due to not having proper "vetting" nor "laws" preventing an leader to be a "loose cannon" or unfit for the job all the time. Even Mueller can't help it, due to our stupid laws and rules which make any President "holy" and untouchable.

    foto van Tina Hicks.

    No replies; yes the truth hurts.
    I had always believed that elected officials were always held to a higher standard, we're finding out that this is not the case. Trump has definitely taken the USA into the gutter, even the deplorables who voted for him are sorry they did, which makes me wonder what makes up his base? white supremacists?
  • Liberal Democrat
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    FBI executes search warrants for Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen,

    "Stephen Ryan, a lawyer for Cohen, said in a statement that the US Attorney's office for the Southern District of New York had executed "a series of search warrants and seized the privileged communications" between Cohen and his clients."

    cnn.com/2018/04/09/politics/michael-coh...

    I noticed right off the bat that Cohen, an attorney, has an attorney representing him, ironic, ain't it?

    and that doggone FBI keeps hunting witches!

  • Independent
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    washingtonpost.com/politics/fbi-seizes-...

    More on Cohen search warrant.

    What I think is important is that trump has so many direct connections to people who are being investigated and\or plead guilty. He personally knows them all (except the 13 Russians).

    It is my life observation is that honest and ethical people do not maintain professional business relationships with multiple people who are involved in criminal activity, even unknowingly. Over time, honest business people begin to suspect something is fishy, and break off the relationship. Others, like trump, seek out shady and unethical, individuals. (Think Roger Stone).

    In theory, it possible all these "Men" are guilty of crimes, but trump knew nothing about any of it. I would argue, trump chose to have businesses relationships with all these men (and likely many other like them), because he liked and respected how they operated and got things accomplished. Have a problem? Get dirty, mean, and not be afraid to break the law. Laws are for losers. A successful business person, or attorney, never lets the law get in the way winning. "He who cheats the best, always wins" is the trump formula for success, and it has work for him since the 1970s.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    During a meeting of his national security staff and lots of generals, Trump made an incoherent diatribe blasting the raid on Cohen's office and hotel as "disgraceful". The media were there for the initial picture taking and Trump used the occasion to go "unhinged" about everything that came to his mind...Hillary Clinton's 30,000 e-mails, Rod Rosenstein (who signed off on the FBI raid), Jeff Sessions for recusing himself from the investigation, and more...whatever came to his flustered mind.

    This raid will reveal a gold mine of information that will result in Trump's impeachment. Trump's actions show he is guilty as hell.

  • Center Left
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    He said that it was an attack on America. Another (porn star) Witch hunt.... not to be confused with the Russia Witch hunt.
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    TJ Wrote: He said that it was an attack on America. Another (porn star) Witch hunt.... not to be confused with the Russia Witch hunt.

    All criticisms of trump are witch hunts. There is no amount of conclusive evidence that will ever change that for trump and his base.