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Annie, get 'chur guns!

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    Annie, get 'chur guns!!!

    I am attempting to shine a little light upon gun problem which is everywhere. The United States' gun issue is the example I am using though I feel strongly the points I am trying to make is global as well as local, wherever you are.

    The issue I propose isn't a constitutional one, it has nothing to do with the militarization of the State's nor foreign and domestic policies, though those are part of the instability.

    It is safety.

    When we don't feel safe, feel "ok", we reach for escape from that lion whatever it be.
    There is zero comradery, all sides whether able to afford to be in power or not are dissatisfied and feel unheard. Being heard is integral to being "ok"!
    The dissatisfaction causes examination using their critical thinking mind and the problem quickly spreads throughout the system towards general dissatisfaction.

    Putting us further from being ok.

    Next step is a search to feel better. Here guns, drugs including alcohol, and anything else one reaches at in this dissatisfied state, and all are bad. All are screams at needing help to be "ok".
    Anyone carrying a gun for purposes other than calories or a military issue isn't saying "look out I am a badass!", they are saying they are so not "ok" they need to be armed in a situation where most aren't. It isn't power it is fear. Power comes from an examined life led well and not from a gun.
    Saying "being armed equals protection" means you learned nothing when the Marines, the freakin Marines, fully armed and equipped and French special forces, all not only armed and ready but in a place expecting an attack were attacked by two men killing 305 people.
    The distance between feeling a need so strong to weaponize your protection from your lion to utilizing the power of life and death to send a message is a very fine one.
    Everyone's stability is tentative. What is "ok" now doesn't it will be "ok" in 3 seconds.
    Yes, the availability needs to be reduced especially those weapons designed with hunting Humans in mind.
    The excellent Constitution states "that a well regulated militia shall not be impeded from having weapons" (not verbatim).
    Though one could say "I am ex-military and well trained and have proven myself responsible with weapons. I should be able to have an M-16!"
    Firstly, thank you very much, I hope you are able to stand behind what you fought for. I would add the caveat that your mission is over. Again thank you!
    If seeing the comparative peace back home as so unsettling you need a weapon of war to replace the previous ones you used for the same purpose, you may well need help readjusting or you had the lack of being "ok" long before your service as I did.
    Please get help.
    If however you are adjusting please join the militia to protect against tyranny. The forefathers designed the 2nd Amendment for that very purpose.
    Even if all guns were banged into farm tools not "ok" is not "ok"! As seen within and outside the borders, a truck, car, airplane, hell no weapon is needed to exact violence on any and all.
    Work towards being "ok"!
    Not just you but having an environment in which you live that removes the need for the guns.
    Guns are not the problem they are a symptom of a society where not "ok" is the norm. This has resulted in a imagined need to arming for war with weapons of war solely out of fear of those around equally trying to be "ok".

    Good luck all!

    Robert Peters

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    Welcome.
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    Welcome as well.

    Small note, the founders in no way, shape or form believed that the government they were created would ever be tyrannical. As long as the public did their job of being informed citizens and voting and factions did not arise all would be good. Unfortunately they also believed in aristocracy, an aristocracy that they were part of which is why they limited the franchise.

    I would also note that the militias would be actual state organizations and not private. The sates were to organize militias for their own security. The National Guard is the closest thing to that. I would doubt that the individual states have the budgets for running militias.

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    Again a total B.S. story; nowhere in the "second amendment" it says civilians can own weapons; only the "militia" of those times could. Neither it says you can own an AK 47 or an Ar 15 nor huge "clips" or the type of bullet which rips your guts to shreds as well bump stocks. Sorry this country uses 1800's laws which don't represent modern times. Compare this to Europe and other civil countries who have up to date laws and therefore a lot less "gun" killings. Due to our "corrupt" lawyer run system, no one dared to attack this old piece of shit paper and update it to 2018, because of the "money" flow from the lobbyists to our dear members of government. "Money" is here more important than life's. That is the American "greed".
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    Excellent points but when I say "Switzerland" if you don't know about the country you don't know that the country in Europe that most people associate with peacefulness. But it has a gun per citizen nearly rivaling the States.

    The difference is they all are well trained as any gun owner should be, the reason for the guns is the instability of Europe as a whole. They are carrying them with the real goal of protection from a true threat. In the States guns are carried out of fear of their brothers/sisters/neighbors who are carrying guns because their neighbors might have guns. There is no comradery which would protect and educate the people carrying the guns. Utmost they are taught that guns are bad and that killing is absolutely wrong. That is why even with the largest per capita arsenals they are still known as a peaceful nation.

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    Good luck out there

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    Excellent points,

    The reason President trump and bush jr. were President was the fact our forefathers saw that one man though should be treated as an equal saw that not everyone has the same level of knowledge, or perceived threat within an election of the President. The historic solution, intended to keep the people unqualified for the ultimate power position, was to create the concept of the Electoral College. IT was a sensible idea and not a knee-jerk reaction. Though the best they could do, the Constitution and laws are by design to change as need changes.
    The problem with basing any of your personal facts on anything not directly written for you with your very wellbeing taken into account as your facts is that your facts are automatically not as correct as they could be for they are for a different time. A different you with different, 100% true facts.

    Inflexibility is a key part of entropy.

    If all your vast, incredible computer knowledge which attached PHD to your name is based on a 1998 laptop, even if you are absolutely THE computer genius, I had you todays, you will be completely lost.

    If I ask why you don't believe that Thor is the "true god" it isn't because it is archaic, it is because you were raised to believe in something else by a people who followed a different perceived god. Thor was, to HIS followers as real, as much a fact to them, as to me the fact that the Earth's age is pushing billions of years in age. As much a fact as anything "holy" or otherwise is to you. All 100% facts.

    There are multiple States which have long had and presently have militia, some with more than one, just like how the US has an armed presence in possible as many "Sovereign" Nations as over 100. Walking into any situation with a gun, cop, soldier, politician, religious fundamentalist or just someone trying to protect themselves from the threat of other people having guns. Entering any situation, from a passing thought noticed, to solid threat, with the intent to conquer or with so much fear towards the other that you feel the need to be lethally armed you are only saying you are inexperienced, completely, with the ability to see the ramifications of your actions.

    Your personal facts are very important to you, they are all you live by. Don't approach fact or any person with a different view as being ignorant or stupid or by pushing out your chest to make yourself appear to be bigger. This only proves that you are not there to bring about a solution. They only prove you thus far haven't figured the importance of the rest of the World.

    If 5 months ago you said, "Steven Hawking (I hope if his vision of what happens next is close to whatever he finds) is the smartest person in the World" not only are your facts incorrect, there is no telling of what lies within the possibilities or an MIT alum with a 200 IQ, or a filthy, unloved 8 year old in some small town in Peru, picking through piles of refuse hoping for something to eat.

    You can't even say that Usain Bolt is the fastest MAN alive or that some poor but attractive woman, raised with sole intention to be Miss Universe actually is anywhere near the most beautiful, nor even less intelligent than the Fantastic, Mr. Hawking. This super genius couldn't say his name. Couldn't lift his hand to bring water to his dry lips and couldn't fend for himself. Smart, intelligent, yes, we are all smart and intelligent in our own way but "smartest, most attractive, fastest" are only proof to the limitations of your construct of the World around and missing the forest for the trees or whatever idiom may help.

    Giving yourself to anything, love, hate, god, 'the devil", without taking into account all your gift's ups and downs, all the gray, the possibilities to do harm as well as good, are checked and rechecked regularly, only then should you consider these as not facts, solid, but as your current best hypothesis. If you can see that the "idiot" in front is just you in different skin whose facts are equally, seemingly solid. That is a good path to work towards following.


    Good luck out there

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    Robert Peters Wrote:

    Excellent points,

    The reason President trump and bush jr. were President was the fact our forefathers saw that one man though should be treated as an equal saw that not everyone has the same level of knowledge, or perceived threat within an election of the President. The historic solution, intended to keep the people unqualified for the ultimate power position, was to create the concept of the Electoral College. IT was a sensible idea and not a knee-jerk reaction. Though the best they could do, the Constitution and laws are by design to change as need changes.
    The problem with basing any of your personal facts on anything not directly written for you with your very wellbeing taken into account as your facts is that your facts are automatically not as correct as they could be for they are for a different time. A different you with different, 100% true facts.

    Inflexibility is a key part of entropy.

    If all your vast, incredible computer knowledge which attached PHD to your name is based on a 1998 laptop, even if you are absolutely THE computer genius, I had you todays, you will be completely lost.

    If I ask why you don't believe that Thor is the "true god" it isn't because it is archaic, it is because you were raised to believe in something else by a people who followed a different perceived god. Thor was, to HIS followers as real, as much a fact to them, as to me the fact that the Earth's age is pushing billions of years in age. As much a fact as anything "holy" or otherwise is to you. All 100% facts.

    There are multiple States which have long had and presently have militia, some with more than one, just like how the US has an armed presence in possible as many "Sovereign" Nations as over 100. Walking into any situation with a gun, cop, soldier, politician, religious fundamentalist or just someone trying to protect themselves from the threat of other people having guns. Entering any situation, from a passing thought noticed, to solid threat, with the intent to conquer or with so much fear towards the other that you feel the need to be lethally armed you are only saying you are inexperienced, completely, with the ability to see the ramifications of your actions.

    Your personal facts are very important to you, they are all you live by. Don't approach fact or any person with a different view as being ignorant or stupid or by pushing out your chest to make yourself appear to be bigger. This only proves that you are not there to bring about a solution. They only prove you thus far haven't figured the importance of the rest of the World.

    If 5 months ago you said, "Steven Hawking (I hope if his vision of what happens next is close to whatever he finds) is the smartest person in the World" not only are your facts incorrect, there is no telling of what lies within the possibilities or an MIT alum with a 200 IQ, or a filthy, unloved 8 year old in some small town in Peru, picking through piles of refuse hoping for something to eat.

    You can't even say that Usain Bolt is the fastest MAN alive or that some poor but attractive woman, raised with sole intention to be Miss Universe actually is anywhere near the most beautiful, nor even less intelligent than the Fantastic, Mr. Hawking. This super genius couldn't say his name. Couldn't lift his hand to bring water to his dry lips and couldn't fend for himself. Smart, intelligent, yes, we are all smart and intelligent in our own way but "smartest, most attractive, fastest" are only proof to the limitations of your construct of the World around and missing the forest for the trees or whatever idiom may help.

    Giving yourself to anything, love, hate, god, 'the devil", without taking into account all your gift's ups and downs, all the gray, the possibilities to do harm as well as good, are checked and rechecked regularly, only then should you consider these as not facts, solid, but as your current best hypothesis. If you can see that the "idiot" in front is just you in different skin whose facts are equally, seemingly solid. That is a good path to work towards following.


    Good luck out there

    You are correct that facts are by nature chimeric. No one knows what anyone else is thinking, feeling or believing. In the case of the electoral college it failed despite Federalist 68 put forth by Hamilton stated. Humans are by nature subject to belief structures that are indoctrinated into them, that they discover on their own or that are shown to them by others. Among these is the second amendment. The concept of security for individual states no longer exists. It has been superseded by the standing army so feared by the founders. What they failed to realize was the standing army in a republic subordinate to the civilian authorities elected by the people was not the same as a military under the control of the divine right of kings for lack of a better term while also in an age of democracies does not pose nearly the potential for threat it once did. Of course that is subject to change as well but then militias wouldn’t stand a chance against the nation-state military and that same military is highly unlikely to strike against the civilian population.
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    Give some thought to giving people reasons to live for rather than reasons to die for. Shooting deaths are horrendous and horrible. What desensitizes humans toward horrendous and horrible is is a conservative right wing who gleefully attacks aid and help to millions talented only enough to apply for a job and show up for work.
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    Lots of words, which don't fix anything. Get rid of the "second amendment" and rewrite it to reflect 2018 as well make it a "living" document which is amended with the "times". You don't need an AR 15 to hunt or defend yourself; if you want to kill someone put some more effort in in it than simply pull the trigger.

    The "killing" continues daily; be proud of it America.

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    "The "killing" continues daily; be proud of it America."

    Dutch, It seems there is no issue that hasn't attracted an opportunistic schemer or scammer trying to capitalize. Additionally this country is so big it is easy to move away from problem or embarrassing issues . A smaller country is more likely to have people remain in problem areas working on problems.