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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Vice News, March 28, 2018: The Pentagon’s spending increase is more than Russia’s entire military budget

    Vice News is reporting that the 2018 massive spending bill included an increase of $61 billion for the Pentagon. Most Americans have no feel for what that means just as long as we're spending enough to offset the "Russian threat". But here's the kicker -- the $61 billion increase is more than Russia spends on its military in an entire year.

    The Kremlin has approved a military budget for 2018 of just $46 billion, according to the Tass news agency. Think about that for a minute. As Vice reports, "to put the increase in context, the entire U.S. military budget of $716 billion is now more than the annual military budgets of China, Russia, Britain, Japan, Saudi Arabia, India, and France combined. And it’s more than 14 times larger than the Kremlin’s budget."

    Soak on that and we can discuss. Keeping America safe...

  • Center Left
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    It's about making suppliers of military goods fat / over fed. It's nauseating when weapons are a priority and citizens a distance behind. It's what we accept.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    and nobody was talking about ‘free stuff’ and how we are going to ‘pay for that?’

    only when progressive public purpose is served does the government suddenly face a financial crisis.

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    Peace through prosperity giving people reasons to live for instead of to die for. Spend trillions on hate and discontent to the cheers of supporters while at the same dispising the thought of irradicating suffering and death from hunger and illness. Huge numbers attract huge abuse. Long story short arrived new assignment Assault Craft Unit 2 in 1969. Was assigned to putting brand new 140 foot boat LCU into operations. At same time budget called for an LCU to be sent for overhaul and rebuilding . Not sending a boat for overhaul would cut future budget by the amount of overhaul. Due to deployments the only LCU at the unit was the brand new boat that had just completed all tests to be accepted and placed in service. So the brand new LCU just accepted I was now taking to Morehead City NC for complete overhaul. Just as we tied up the boat was swarmed with workers. One particular crew started cutting the deck open to take the brand new engines out to be rebuilt. No doubt in my mind that type budgeting still exists .
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    Carlitos Wrote:

    and nobody was talking about ‘free stuff’ and how we are going to ‘pay for that?’

    only when progressive public purpose is served does the government suddenly face a financial crisis.

    Thom Hartmann talks about this. It is Jude Wanninski's "two Santa Claus" theory. When Republicans are in power they run up deficits. When Democrats are in power the Republicans scream about deficits and debt trying to force the Democrats into cutting social programs. The American people, being stupid, buy into it. They simply disagree what should be cut. White, elderly Republicans want their costal security so they want welfare, SNAP and such programs cut. Democratic voters say cut defense which allows them to be painted as unpatriotic or as favoring the (fill-in-the-blank boogeyman of the moment).
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Bloomberg News: Air Force Risks Losing Third of F-35s If Upkeep Costs Aren't Cut

    Bloomberg News is reporting that the U.S. Air Force is considering cutting it's planned purchases of Lockheed Martin Corp.’s F-35 by a third (590 out of the 1,763 it planned to order) because the operational and support costs of keeping this plane flying are just too high. It needs to cut those costs by 38 percent over a decade based on an internal analysis.

    The operational and maintenance costs of the total fleet of 2,456 planes for the Air Force, Navy and Marines is now projected as much as $1.1 trillion through 2070.

    Trump just touted the "wonderful plane" in one his "rallies" so don't expect him and his fellow Republicans to accept that kind of a cut. The higher costs will just have to be made up somewhere else in the annual budgets, but remember the military is always first at the trough.

    It's always about keeping our country safe and "supporting the troops".

  • Independent
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    lonely bird Wrote:
    Carlitos Wrote:

    and nobody was talking about ‘free stuff’ and how we are going to ‘pay for that?’

    only when progressive public purpose is served does the government suddenly face a financial crisis.

    Thom Hartmann talks about this. It is Jude Wanninski's "two Santa Claus" theory. When Republicans are in power they run up deficits. When Democrats are in power the Republicans scream about deficits and debt trying to force the Democrats into cutting social programs. The American people, being stupid, buy into it. They simply disagree what should be cut. White, elderly Republicans want their costal security so they want welfare, SNAP and such programs cut. Democratic voters say cut defense which allows them to be painted as unpatriotic or as favoring the (fill-in-the-blank boogeyman of the moment).
    That is what you get with only a two party system which acts as a yo-yo; the money wasted in this country on military "junk" is unbelievable; the whole desert is parked full with it as rusting old stuff which did cost the taxpayer zillions, however there is no money for healthcare, veteran care, let alone infrastructure, or other needed social services etc. And is our country any safer than in 1945? I doubt it.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Putin has recognized that they cannot compete militarily with the USA's largess in spending. So they engage in cyber warfare and finding ways to "own" our politicians instead. Far cheaper and more effective in minimizing the threat.
  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Bloomberg News: Air Force Risks Losing Third of F-35s If Upkeep Costs Aren't Cut

    Bloomberg News is reporting that the U.S. Air Force is considering cutting it's planned purchases of Lockheed Martin Corp.’s F-35 by a third (590 out of the 1,763 it planned to order) because the operational and support costs of keeping this plane flying are just too high. It needs to cut those costs by 38 percent over a decade based on an internal analysis.

    The operational and maintenance costs of the total fleet of 2,456 planes for the Air Force, Navy and Marines is now projected as much as $1.1 trillion through 2070.

    Trump just touted the "wonderful plane" in one his "rallies" so don't expect him and his fellow Republicans to accept that kind of a cut. The higher costs will just have to be made up somewhere else in the annual budgets, but remember the military is always first at the trough.

    It's always about keeping our country safe and "supporting the troops".

    Yes Schmidt, I wrote about that a long time ago; it will follow the same path as the Thunderstreak plane or the Lockheed F104 ( flying pencil) Sorry it is an total "over designed" piece of expensive shit. Also you get in the cockpit an "data" overload so the pilot gets way too much info at once, which leads to mistakes especially in a battle. The head-up helmet display introduced due to limited outside vision makes it even worse. Also it is a very "heavy" plane and therefore less agile than an F16 . Yes the maintenance on this thing will cost fortunes, let alone all the Service Bulletins to improve reliability. But yeah Trump knows best; he alone can fix it!! Not "buying" a "third"makes no difference unless we start new wars all over the place. If on the battle field these planes will become useless in no time because of "maintenance" or crashes because of "no maintenance". Since it is "one" of a "kind"; spare parts prices will skyrocket and in short supply.
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    Could someone help me understand how increasing the Military budget keeps us more safe and\or gives the US more leverage around the world?

    I am asking as sincere question. I truly don't understand how a never ending military build up helps the US, especially when it would appears that Russians are modernizing to a new ara of warfare that is cyber warfare. Example is the 2016 election. Also think about what would happen if they could take down a few major US banks by hacking into them. They appear to be thinking in those terms, and we are thinking about making sure we can kill a single person 1000 times over.

    US General: "how many times did we kill them?"
    Aid: "We estimate we killed each enemy about 650 times"

    US General: "Too low, next time we need to bomb the shit out of them so they die at least 1000 times. We have way too much inventory that is over 25 years old; we have no room for the new stockpile was just ordered by congress because they have mandated we need more."

  • Liberal Democrat
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    wwjd Wrote:

    Could someone help me understand how increasing the Military budget keeps us more safe and\or gives the US more leverage around the world?

    I am asking as sincere question. I truly don't understand how a never ending military build up helps the US, especially when it would appears that Russians are modernizing to a new ara of warfare that is cyber warfare. Example is the 2016 election. Also think about what would happen if they could take down a few major US banks by hacking into them. They appear to be thinking in those terms, and we are thinking about making sure we can kill a single person 1000 times over.

    US General: "how many times did we kill them?"
    Aid: "We estimate we killed each enemy about 650 times"

    US General: "Too low, next time we need to bomb the shit out of them so they die at least 1000 times. We have way too much inventory that is over 25 years old; we have no room for the new stockpile was just ordered by congress because they have mandated we need more."

    Throwing money to the military won't make the USA any safer. If a country wishes to strike the US, it can, and probably will, the only thing our military will be able to do is retaliate, it won't be able to stop any attacks.

    During the Vietnam war, the president/s and the generals were obsessed with kill ratios.

    answers.com/Q/What_was_the_soldier_to_e...

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    Dockadams Wrote:
    wwjd Wrote:

    Could someone help me understand how increasing the Military budget keeps us more safe and\or gives the US more leverage around the world?

    I am asking as sincere question. I truly don't understand how a never ending military build up helps the US, especially when it would appears that Russians are modernizing to a new ara of warfare that is cyber warfare. Example is the 2016 election. Also think about what would happen if they could take down a few major US banks by hacking into them. They appear to be thinking in those terms, and we are thinking about making sure we can kill a single person 1000 times over.

    US General: "how many times did we kill them?"
    Aid: "We estimate we killed each enemy about 650 times"

    US General: "Too low, next time we need to bomb the shit out of them so they die at least 1000 times. We have way too much inventory that is over 25 years old; we have no room for the new stockpile was just ordered by congress because they have mandated we need more."

    Throwing money to the military won't make the USA any safer. If a country wishes to strike the US, it can, and probably will, the only thing our military will be able to do is retaliate, it won't be able to stop any attacks.

    During the Vietnam war, the president/s and the generals were obsessed with kill ratios.

    answers.com/Q/What_was_the_soldier_to_e...

    Indeed it does not make us any safer; there is no one who wants to invade this country, let alone inherit all the dumb asses here as well the trillions of debt. Also since there are over 350 million privately owned guns around then it is kind of hard to subdue the crowd. Furthermore invaders probably don't like the "money" and corruption based attitude either, let alone holy "evangelicals".

    Thus we only seem to need our military to "invade" other countries who never attacked us, as well to keep the war industry humming to help our employment numbers. But yeah "war tools" never give a return on investment so it certainly does not make this country "great" again. The deserts here are parked full with all that junk; so why not dump it in other countries as well. Our favorite hobby seems to be the "military" ; sorry but there are lots of other hobby's which give much more pleasure, instead of "death" and ruins. A very "sick" country for sure. What did the Vietnam war cost us? Any good result for us? What does the still going wars in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, still cost us everyday now already going on for more tan 17 years.

    What is the fun of bringing all those coffins home? This country could have been great for everyone if we still would have all that wasted money on the military and our wars. None of our instigated wars made this world a better place. No one ordered us either to play "policeman" in this world. We barely can run our own country properly let alone that we are any good at "nation" building after our wars end.

  • Center Left
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    Spend half of our budget on defense because you can call it strong patriotism and run for reelection with the base believing you did well. It's sad that we are in the minority and can't push towards accountability. A strong father doesn't buy a gun and ammo. He buys groceries. This president isn't caring for citizens. He's working for special interests. That includes his own.
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    TJ Wrote: Spend half of our budget on defense because you can call it strong patriotism and run for reelection with the base believing you did well. It's sad that we are in the minority and can't push towards accountability. A strong father doesn't buy a gun and ammo. He buys groceries. This president isn't caring for citizens. He's working for special interests. That includes his own.

    Says TJ:

    "A strong father doesn't buy a gun and ammo. He buys groceries."

    I totally agree. Probably the solution to all problems .

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Nine million veterans needing access to healthcare, not including their family members or extended family. $61B would definitely go a long way spent in a peaceful way.