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  • wwjd
    2018-03-18 08:31:58 PM
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    If we take trump and politics out of the argument. Typical criminal investigations can range from a few days to over a decade, and no report is ever released. Innocent people often are cleared based on facts, and sometime innocent people are never cleared because there is evidence that suggest possible links to criminal activity.
  • Ray Pooch
    2018-03-18 09:24:46 PM
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    You're suggesting an investigation process that is unlawful in our justice system. In your examples, our court system would reject most\all of evidence because it would have been illegally collected.

    The attorney general's office has twice considered the question of whether a sitting president can be indicted and prosecuted. The answer, both times, was no. The president must be impeached by congress. So, unless I am mistaken, the "court system" would not be able to "reject most\all of evidence" because the court system would not be involved. It will be up to the discretion of the representatives on Capitol Hill whether the evidence was collected in a way that stands scrutiny. That will depend a lot on (1) how many seats are occupied by Democrats (2) how many establishment Republicans and "Never Trump"ers would prefer to see Mike Pence in the Oval Office and (3) how popular Trump is with the public. It will be a political decision, not one that abides by the normal rules of due process.

    There is no indication that the Mueller investigation has over stepped its reach.

    Paul Manafort's lawyers disagree. Just a few days ago, they asked a judge to throw out the charges against him on the grounds that special counsel Robert Mueller overstepped his jurisdiction. In fact those are the very words used in the following article:

    nydailynews.com/news/politics/manafort-...

    I assume their argument is that Mueller was tasked with investigating whether (1) Trump (2) conspired with (3) the Russian Federation to (4) illegally influence the (5) 2016 (6) US election. Had he ended up charging (1) Paul Manafort for (2) consulting with (3) the government of the Ukraine on how to (4) legally influence (i.e. campaign in) the (5) 2006 (6) Ukrainian election, that would at least have borne a misleading and superficial resemblance to what he is supposed to be investigating, even if it was 0 for 6. But he actually charged him merely for failing to report the money he made from his otherwise legal consulting work. That has nothing to do with whether someone in the Trump camp conspired with a foreign power to subvert the US democratic process. Nothing.

    You don't see that as overreach?

  • Ray Pooch
    2018-03-18 09:31:12 PM
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    wwjd Wrote: Typical criminal investigations can range from a few days to over a decade,
    We should expect a speedier resolution when four high profile federal investigations are taking place in parallel and seventeen intelligence agencies, assisted by the world's media, are all obsessively on the case. If, after a couple of years of that, no serious evidence is forthcoming, it's time to start wondering what exactly they are playing at.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-03-18 10:48:27 PM
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    Don't forget that Mueller was hired by the Trump Administration :

    Deputy attorney general appoints special counsel to oversee probe of Russian interference in election.

    Essentially Trump hired Mueller to verify his innocence. He serves at the pleasure of Trump.

  • wwjd
    2018-03-18 11:30:27 PM
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    I remain confident that truth and facts will be ultimately made public. Those that have committed crimes will be charged and held accountable. Those that are innocent will be cleared. Those that have been wronged, in time, will be acknowledge has having sacrificed their careers so that justice may prevail.

  • Schmidt
    2018-03-19 12:27:36 AM
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    The Watergate break-in occurred on June 17, 1972. It wasn't until August 8, 1974 that Richard Nixon finally resigned. That took over two years to investigate just a simple break-in.

    On July 25, 2016 the FBI opened an investigation into Russian interference in our presidential election. That proceeded under the supervision of FBI Director James Comey until Trump fired him on May 9, 2017.

    Rod Rosenstien appointed Robert Mueller as Special Counsel on May 17, 2017 to continue the Russian interference election but also to explore any links or coordination between the Trump campaign and the Russian government "and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation."

    The Russian investigation is considerably more complicated involving multiple parties and countries spanning decades. It is also expanding into "matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation". This is not some kind "show and tell" investigation in which the Special Counsel is expected to reveal his hand periodically to the media as a report card to justify continuing. It is a multifaceted complicated investigation into several aspects of Trump's involvement.

    If Trump is innocent, he sure as hell isn't acting like it by trying to undermine or stop the investigation almost daily. Trump certainly appears to be compromised in some fashion, and I don't care if it takes four years for the truth to come out and justice to be served -- but it will be served. And his report will be absolutely complete with no loose ends...not some shoddy Nunes type of unprofessional partisan report that was debunked before the ink is dry.

    Have patience...

  • wwjd
    2018-03-19 12:59:54 AM
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    If Trump is innocent, he sure as hell isn't acting like it by trying to undermine or stop the investigation almost daily. Trump certainly appears to be compromised in some fashion, and I don't care if it takes four years for the truth to come out and justice to be served -- but it will be served. And his report will be absolutely complete with no loose ends...not some shoddy Nunes type of unprofessional partisan report that was debunked before the ink is dry.

    Have patience...

    I think over half of the US population is wondering the same thing; why trump behaves more like a guilty person trying to hide criminal activity, than innocent man confident that the Justice system works.

    And what makes it even more puzzling is that if he knew there was nothing criminal or unethical to be exposed, he could be using tweeter, rallies, etc to promote Mueller as a ethical man who is on the trump team, a man who is working hard for justice and to clear him. Thus, once the Mueller investigation declares him a innocent of all charges, trump could say to the world "I told the truth! Mueller found the truth! and I stand here today innocent of all crimes, just as innocent today, as the day I started my campaign for president"... Trump, as a (hypothetical) innocent man could be using his self-promotion skills to predict the outcome of the Mueller investigation because he already knows the truth.

    Imagine how puzzled we'd be if trump was promoting Mueller as the right man to uncover the facts of what happen during the 2016 election, the man that would get to the truth, and the truth was undeniably that trump has a perfect track record and a honest man. What would our perception of Mueller be if trump worshiped the ground Mueller walked on?... We'll never know, because it will never happen. It would only possibly happen if trump was as perfect as he claims to be. Never has lied, never had made a mistake, always been ethical, never cheated on his wives, and always the smartest man in the room.

  • Ray Pooch
    2018-03-19 01:27:01 AM
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    Why does Trump attack Rosie O'Donnell? Does she have something on him? Maybe O'Donnell is close to ripping the lid off the whole Russia scandal, and Trump is trying to pre-emptively discredit her! I feel confident she is near the truth, or else Trump would not be lashing out the way that he is!!

    Or maybe Trump is an impulsive blowhard with a runaway Twitter account and the discretion of an open sewer, impetuously broadcasting whatever tiny thoughts pass beneath his immaculate comb-over. And maybe this is also the simplest explanation for his unwise Tweets on Robert Mueller, James Comey and, for that matter, every single other topic.

    He isn't panicking. He's thinking aloud, Trump style, the way he does about everything.
  • wwjd
    2018-03-19 02:10:02 AM
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    Unrelated to previous post.

    For those who are interested. WP fact check on weekend tweets. No surprises as to what they reveal.

    washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp...

  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-03-19 02:12:04 AM
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    "He isn't panicking. He's thinking aloud, Trump style, the way he does about everything."

    And his special counsel appointed by him will serve him justly . Trump could fire him in a tweet if he wanted to. But one point I disagree with is him thinking aloud. I think he is just talking aloud. He himself described his style as a counter puncher.

  • wwjd
    2018-03-19 02:16:05 AM
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    Ray Pooch Wrote:
    Or maybe Trump is an impulsive blowhard with a runaway Twitter account and the discretion of an open sewer, impetuously broadcasting whatever tiny thoughts pass beneath his immaculate comb-over. And maybe this is also the simplest explanation for his unwise Tweets on Robert Mueller, James Comey and, for that matter, every single other topic.

    Sure, I can accept that as one possibility.

  • wwjd
    2018-03-19 02:30:17 AM
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    "He isn't panicking. He's thinking aloud, Trump style, the way he does about everything."

    And his special counsel appointed by him will serve him justly . Trump could fire him in a tweet if he wanted to. But one point I disagree with is him thinking aloud. I think he is just talking aloud. He himself described his style as a counter puncher.

    Legally, I don't think trump can fire Mueller. But, that wouldn't stop him from issuing orders via tweet to have Mueller fired, and expect the chain of command to follow orders. Rosestein likely would refuse, so trump then may tweet that Rosestien be fired, and keep going down the line until someone agrees to fire Mueller. Give the history of Watergate, trump would likely to have to fire quite a few people before finding someone willing to fire Mueller.

    As already suggested, firing Mueller maybe more slow kill, over weeks\months fire everybody that would block the firing of Mueller, including Jeff Sesson, find someone in advance willing to fire Mueller and give him the job.

    Both options are a hard sell and would cost trump the presidency. I think of it like many elite Mt climbers who spend every last ounce of energy to get to the top of Mt. Everest, they celebrate their great achievement, but die on the way down because they have nothing left to survive.

  • Ray Pooch
    2018-03-19 03:37:00 AM
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    wwjd Wrote:
    Ray Pooch Wrote:
    Or maybe Trump is an impulsive blowhard with a runaway Twitter account and the discretion of an open sewer, impetuously broadcasting whatever tiny thoughts pass beneath his immaculate comb-over. And maybe this is also the simplest explanation for his unwise Tweets on Robert Mueller, James Comey and, for that matter, every single other topic.

    Sure, I can accept that as one possibility.

    Would you accept it as the most likely possibility? After all, we *know* that Trump is ordinarily an overblown, melodramatic, thoughtless, irresponsible and reckless Tweeter. So if we can explain his Tweets re Mueller as more of the same, why speculate further?
  • Dockadams
    2018-03-19 05:29:51 AM
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    I'll add my two cents here on what some see as a trump witch hunt.

    Michael Flynn lied to the FBI.

    Manafort admitted lying to the FBI.

    Popodopoulous admitted lying to the FBI.

    When you admit to lying, that's it, you admit guilt in doing so. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

    All or most of us already know trump is a compulsive liar.

    That is all.

    edit: Hope Hicks admitted to telling "little white lies" for trump.

    It seems all this man does is associate with crooks and liars.

  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-03-19 07:34:20 AM
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    Ray Pooch Wrote:
    wwjd Wrote:
    Ray Pooch Wrote:
    Or maybe Trump is an impulsive blowhard with a runaway Twitter account and the discretion of an open sewer, impetuously broadcasting whatever tiny thoughts pass beneath his immaculate comb-over. And maybe this is also the simplest explanation for his unwise Tweets on Robert Mueller, James Comey and, for that matter, every single other topic.

    Sure, I can accept that as one possibility.

    Would you accept it as the most likely possibility? After all, we *know* that Trump is ordinarily an overblown, melodramatic, thoughtless, irresponsible and reckless Tweeter. So if we can explain his Tweets re Mueller as more of the same, why speculate further?
    It is not about Trump's tweets .
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