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    Yes, the Special Counsel investigation will proceed at a deliberative, careful and secretive pace, and the findings of the report will not be released until all the i's are dotted and the t's crossed. The could be next year. In the meantime, there will likely be more indictments of some of the key people of interest, but these might be nothing more than "lying to the FBI" or "obstruction of justice" sending a message to others that he means business. "Do not lie to the FBI."

    The Congressional committees conducting parallel investigations have become too partisan to expect anything meaningful to come out of their findings. Devin Nunes is Trump's lapdog, but there are a whole lot of other Republicans that are obstructing the respective investigations.

    One doesn't have to be a lawyer to understand that many of the Trump and Kushner organizations dealings with foreign entities are highly questionable. This July 2017 article by Criag Unger in the New Republic, Trump's Russian Laundromat, will give you an appreciation of the extent of the money laundering operation over the past 34 years. It is mind boggling, and could take much longer to unravel into prosecutable cases.

    At the time Unger wrote his article, the investigative journalism up to that point had not found any "smoking guns" as it pertains to Trump's ties to Russia. But then the journalists did not have an "A Team" of expert lawyers doing the in-depth investigations. Robert Mueller now has that along with the power of the subpoena, and I expect that justice will be served eventually. The American public just needs to be patient and not distracted by both the Trump and Republican obstructionist tactics and rhetoric.

    One final point. It should be evident to everyone by now that Trump has something to hide as per Russian ties. In other words, he appears to be compromised. Why else is he so protective of Putin and Russia? We will find out when Mueller completes his work.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Yes, the Special Counsel investigation will proceed at a deliberative, careful and secretive pace, and the findings of the report will not be released until all the i's are dotted and the t's crossed. The could be next year. In the meantime, there will likely be more indictments of some of the key people of interest, but these might be nothing more than "lying to the FBI" or "obstruction of justice" sending a message to others that he means business. "Do not lie to the FBI."

    The Congressional committees conducting parallel investigations have become too partisan to expect anything meaningful to come out of their findings. Devin Nunes is Trump's lapdog, but there are a whole lot of other Republicans that are obstructing the respective investigations.

    One doesn't have to be a lawyer to understand that many of the Trump and Kushner organizations dealings with foreign entities are highly questionable. This July 2017 article by Criag Unger in the New Republic, Trump's Russian Laundromat, will give you an appreciation of the extent of the money laundering operation over the past 34 years. It is mind boggling, and could take much longer to unravel into prosecutable cases.

    At the time Unger wrote his article, the investigative journalism up to that point had not found any "smoking guns" as it pertains to Trump's ties to Russia. But then the journalists did not have an "A Team" of expert lawyers doing the in-depth investigations. Robert Mueller now has that along with the power of the subpoena, and I expect that justice will be served eventually. The American public just needs to be patient and not distracted by both the Trump and Republican obstructionist tactics and rhetoric.

    Yes, that is all correct; but there is a "but". Don't underestimate Trump related to "mob" tricks in which he's a champion. Just look at the "tricks" he's pulling on Stormy. On top of that he'll continue lying and bullying. He's a snake who talks; thus the "bible" was right; talking snakes do exist.
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    Yep, when Team Mueller gets too close for comfort, we'll likely be able to pick which Friday everything will end, and then we'll need our do nothing congress to act. This is playing out almost like Watergate, except our congress is deaf and dumb.
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    Dockadams Wrote: Yep, when Team Mueller gets too close for comfort, we'll likely be able to pick which Friday everything will end, and then we'll need our do nothing congress to act. This is playing out almost like Watergate, except our congress is deaf and dumb.

    Dock, absolutely correct; I've never seen such assholes as in this government, elected by non-educated dumb central States as well the naive, ignorant evangelicals in this country.Yes Betsy DeVos wants it that way, because she herself is about the most dumbest evangelical there is. Trump just cut about 300 billion from the education budget; that will work!

    Keep them dumb; that is working!!

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    Trump made three more tweets this Sunday morning. Here is one of them:

    "Why does the Mueller team have 13 hardened Democrats, some big Crooked Hillary supporters, and Zero Republicans? Another Dem recently added...does anyone think this is fair? And yet, there is NO COLLUSION!"

    This is increasingly looking like Trump is going to take some irrational action to have the Mueller investigation stopped. Mueller has subpoenaed documents from the Trump organization, and his organization must comply or face the legal consequences. We don't know by what dates the Trump organization must comply, but Trump might try shutdown the investigation before Mueller gets his hands on any "incriminating" documents.

    On the other hand, Mueller probably has many incriminating documents already (e.g. Deutsches bank loans, IRS taxes, and more) and is seeking "comparisons" to what the Trump people (Eric and Donald Trump Jr et al) might choose to furnish and not furnish (hide). This document sharing by the Trump organization may lead to the worst outcome for Trump that I have previously discussed, and therefore the alternative preferable route for Trump might be to weather the storm of a Mueller firing. If he goes that route he has to do it sooner rather than later.

    His tweets suggest a desperation in his manner basically priming his supporters for the act to come. It goes with yet another his tweets from yesterday:

    The Mueller probe should never have been started in that there was no collusion and there was no crime. It was based on fraudulent activities and a Fake Dossier paid for by Crooked Hillary and the DNC, and improperly used in FISA COURT for surveillance of my campaign. WITCH HUNT!

    My opinion...

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Trump made three more tweets this Sunday morning. Here is one of them:

    "Why does the Mueller team have 13 hardened Democrats, some big Crooked Hillary supporters, and Zero Republicans? Another Dem recently added...does anyone think this is fair? And yet, there is NO COLLUSION!"

    This is increasingly looking like Trump is going to take some irrational action to have the Mueller investigation stopped. Mueller has subpoenaed documents from the Trump organization, and his organization must comply or face the legal consequences. We don't know by what dates the Trump organization must comply, but Trump might try shutdown the investigation before Mueller gets his hands on any "incriminating" documents.

    On the other hand, Mueller probably has many incriminating documents already (e.g. Deutsches bank loans, IRS taxes, and more) and is seeking "comparisons" to what the Trump people (Eric and Donald Trump Jr et al) might choose to furnish and not furnish (hide). This document sharing by the Trump organization may lead to the worst outcome for Trump that I have previously discussed, and therefore the alternative preferable route for Trump might be to weather the storm of a Mueller firing. If he goes that route he has to do it sooner rather than later.

    His tweets suggest a desperation in his manner basically priming his supporters for the act to come. It goes with his tweet from yesterday:

    The Mueller probe should never have been started in that there was no collusion and there was no crime. It was based on fraudulent activities and a Fake Dossier paid for by Crooked Hillary and the DNC, and improperly used in FISA COURT for surveillance of my campaign. WITCH HUNT!

    My opinion...

    Trump must have forgotten that Mueller's early days as a FBI director, he was appointed by a republican. Yes, it's true Donnie. Someone call Trump and tell him that please. 202-456-1414
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    wwjd Wrote:
    Maybe Trump is completely innocent of any collaboration with the Russians, but their involved has brought about an investigation that is likely to expose any, and all, of Trump's business transaction that were illegal.

    So despite finding no evidence of the allegation the investigation will continue until they find something else?

    That's straight from the Stalin playbook, isn't it?

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    Financial information ? ! ? ! No F'ing way!!!!!!! The Conman may have lied, exaggerated and misrepresented the size of his...... wealth. Once the curtain is lifted his debt and limitations will be too much to handle. He will stop the truth however he can. Hopefully people will demand the truth and accountability.
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    Ray Pooch Wrote:
    wwjd Wrote:
    Maybe Trump is completely innocent of any collaboration with the Russians, but their involved has brought about an investigation that is likely to expose any, and all, of Trump's business transaction that were illegal.

    So despite finding no evidence of the allegation the investigation will continue until they find something else?

    That's straight from the Stalin playbook, isn't it?


    I do not perceive that investigation has set a pre-determined outcome based on a political agenda. If trump has not committed any crimes, he will be cleared.

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    Ray Pooch Wrote:
    wwjd Wrote:
    Maybe Trump is completely innocent of any collaboration with the Russians, but their involved has brought about an investigation that is likely to expose any, and all, of Trump's business transaction that were illegal.

    So despite finding no evidence of the allegation the investigation will continue until they find something else?

    That's straight from the Stalin playbook, isn't it?

    No. Where did you get the information there is no evidence of the allegation?

    Clarifying the assumption . They can continue til they have exhausted all possibilities . At the end of the investigation it will be discontinued with collusion evidence either found or not found. They certainly at no point would say we have determined there exists no collusion evidence but we are continuing to fish for any other criminal activity . So consider that the investigation is terminated with the statement we have found no evidence of collusion but while searching only for collusion the exact documents revealed other crimes that were impossible to avoid discovering were discovered . Tricky but if police have permission to search a car for weapons but no weapons are found and illegal drugs are found the possession of illegal drugs can be prosecuted.

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    wwjd Wrote:
    Ray Pooch Wrote:
    wwjd Wrote:
    I do not perceive that investigation has set a pre-determined outcome based on a political agenda. If trump has not committed any crimes, he will be cleared.
    Do you think that this would be a good model for investigations generally? That if the prosecutor does not find evidence supporting the allegation, they may continue investigating you, indefinitely, until they find evidence of something else? Of course, if you have not committed any crimes, you will be cleared. Of course! But in the meantime, you may spend a lot of your time answering subpoenas, appearing before investigatory panels, etc. And any of your friends and colleagues may be charged and imprisoned, should the investigation turn up something on them (or if they say something incorrect when answering investigators). Of course prosecutors may cut them a deal if they are willing to suddenly remember something that you did wrong, and testify to that effect...

    It reminds me of a book I once read. The author was Franz Kafka.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Ray Pooch Wrote:
    wwjd Wrote:
    Maybe Trump is completely innocent of any collaboration with the Russians, but their involved has brought about an investigation that is likely to expose any, and all, of Trump's business transaction that were illegal.

    So despite finding no evidence of the allegation the investigation will continue until they find something else?

    That's straight from the Stalin playbook, isn't it?

    No. Where did you get the information there is no evidence of the allegation?

    I was responding to what you quoted from wwjd, namely speculation that whether or not there is evidence of collusion, the investigation will (and should?) proceed to indict Trump on unrelated matters.

    Do you know of some hard evidence that Trump committed a crime involving contact with the Russian Federation?

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    Ray Pooch -- Look, the Special Counsel's job is not to lay out his case on a daily, weekly, monthly or even yearly basis to the general public. No one really knows what case Robert Mueller has in the works. He might have enough to convict Trump on a whole bunch of charges right now or maybe none. We don't know. His strategy is to complete a comprehensive investigation of all the facts rather than laying them out piece meal for media consumption.

    The exception is that for some of the lower minions plus a bunch of Russians he has brought charges to send a message to all the doubters out there that this is not a witch hunt.

    Don't fall for the Trump rhetoric. He is the only one who should worry and for good reason.

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    ...or even yearly basis...

    Not even yearly? Wow. After how many years without hard evidence am I permitted to begin being skeptical? As it is, there are or have been investigations by The Senate and House Intelligence Committee, the Justice Department, two Senate Judiciary and House Oversight and Government Reform Committees and, so I am told, seventeen intelligence agencies. That's not to mention the informal but voluminous investigations of the press. Given that many of these investigations preceded the election, which took place 16 months ago, that probably makes this the most investigated allegation in American history and yet... still no hard evidence?

    When may I be skeptical without being accused of falling for Trump's rhetoric? How long must I wait for evidence before I start thinking we're as credulous as the Republican rank and file who waited so desperately for the "right" outcome to such dog and pony shows as Whitewater and Benghazi?

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    Ray Pooch Wrote:
    wwjd Wrote:
    Ray Pooch Wrote:
    wwjd Wrote:
    I do not perceive that investigation has set a pre-determined outcome based on a political agenda. If trump has not committed any crimes, he will be cleared.
    Do you think that this would be a good model for investigations generally? That if the prosecutor does not find evidence supporting the allegation, they may continue investigating you, indefinitely, until they find evidence of something else? Of course, if you have not committed any crimes, you will be cleared. Of course! But in the meantime, you may spend a lot of your time answering subpoenas, appearing before investigatory panels, etc. And any of your friends and colleagues may be charged and imprisoned, should the investigation turn up something on them (or if they say something incorrect when answering investigators). Of course prosecutors may cut them a deal if they are willing to suddenly remember something that you did wrong, and testify to that effect...

    It reminds me of a book I once read. The author was Franz Kafka.

    You're suggesting an investigation process that is unlawful in our justice system. In your examples, our court system would reject most\all of evidence because it would have been illegally collected. There is no indication that the Mueller investigation has over stepped its reach.