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The "Incel" movement

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    Incel: Involuntary Celibacy, meaning mostly white guys who can't get women to go bed with them. Not exclusively white, however, white men seem to be the most loudly vocal subgroup.

    The Incel Movement seems to have a hero named Brock Turner,

    ... Turner was a student athlete at Stanford University on January 18, 2015, when he sexually penetrated an intoxicated and unconscious 22-year-old woman (later called "Emily Doe") with his fingers.

    Turner was caught by two Stanford international students from Sweden, who testified that they intervened because the woman appeared to be unconscious. Turner fled the scene as they approached, resulting in the two apprehending and restraining him until police arrived to take him in custody. The police arrested Turner on Stanford's campus, and booked him into the Santa Clara County jail on suspicion of attempted rape and penetration with a foreign object. He was released the same day after posting $150,000 bail....

    One could also observe that the Incel Movement is primarily American, note the horrified response of Swedish students in the incident.

    One must also observe that the only "involuntary" participant in the Brock Turner incident is the unconscious Jane Doe victim who did not give Turner permission to violate her body.

    Hmmm, the involuntary power grab of a woman's body. It seems to me that there are a few other groups who are into that kind of thing, the Roman Catholic church, a considerable body of Evangelical protestant churches, white Republican legislators, the so-called "pro-life" movement.

    My daughter, Gabrielle, gave me a brief tutorial on the Incel Movement this morning -- which is why I'm bringing it up. She views it as more of a "power over others" movement, devoid of any sexual content.

    I quote an Incel Movement testimonial that she posted on her Facebook that pretty much explains the goals of the movement:

    I once approached a teenage girl (around 14 years old) by asking her directions at first. I then proceeded to ask for her name. She became afraid and started walking away. I followed her, and then she went from walking briskly to running, Her gait was peculiar, because she ran like a newborn fawn, turning around every so often, trying to see if I am still following.

    The writer inserts a disclaimer here: (Now I want to make clear that I absolutely abhor rape and did not have any intention in that direction, not molestation, not any of that.)

    She had no reason to be frightened. (My response: OH YEAH?) I wasn't gonna do anything. (OH YEAH?)

    But the feeling when you follow a girl and she notices you, and she tries to loose you or picks up the pace. You are no longer some random insignificant face in the crowd.

    I have been unable to find a reliable original source for this quote because I am an unschooled internet klutz. But, at any rate, the sole intent of the above writer's actions is to make teenage women -- and all women essentially -- paranoid, power over others. However, a google of "incel" also yields a story on a sort of subhero of the movement, Elliott Rodger:

    In a recent post on, a forum for the dateless and sexless, the man wrote, “I am seriously thinking about just getting a gun and shooting everything up,” he said. “I fantasize about it everyday … that's how fucked up my mind is.” The truly “fucked up” thing is that this isn’t another newly discovered online posting from Elliot Rodger, the 22-year-old who went on a shooting rampage Friday, killing six people. These are just the words of yet another angry man on the Internet expressing rage at society -- especially women -- over his own celibacy.

    The poster continued, “I think if I do end up going on a mass shooting spree it will be due to the mental damage/stress from being isolated from meaningful human contact for too long. If/when that ever happens, can I really be blamed for murder if I've lost my mental faculties to judge right from wrong?” He goes on to say of the infamous mass murderers of recent years, “Quite a lot of those shooters weren't crazy.”

    Rodger murdered six victims, ironically, half of them were men he jealously regarded as "sexually successful". The poster goes on to rage at "feminists", "liberals", in a contradictory, wandering rant:

    What happened is punishment for evil and violence of feminists and liberals. Any of you supporting atrocities like women’s suffrage, immodest clothing, child support/alimony, no ban on adultery, ban on prostitution and a lack of female premarital chastity, all the things that drove this young man to be unable to find a girlfriend, are disgusting , horrible people and you created a culture where this is possible.

    My daughter, Gabrielle, recommends an assertive response:

    When I experience behavior like this, I respond by engaging in return. Instead of being pursued, I am the pursuer.

    If someone says something nice, I say, “I know I am, thank you!” If they say something mean, I say, “No I’m not. Why don’t you look in the mirror?” I look at them, in the eyes, memorize their face.

    I know that this is unnecessary energy spent but just the perpetrator knowing that you you see them, can maybe identify them often stops them dead in their tracks.

    She recognizes, though, that women, particularly American, non-Scandinavian women, require assertiveness training in order to be able to make such a response.

    The women in my family tend to be immodest and full of themselves. Part of our genes.

    And to the men who regard their sexual frustrations as a solid reason for rage against women and others:

    You have two serviceable hands. And a certain amount of creative imagination, I hope.

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    I had never heard of the "Incel" movement, but in doing a quick internet search, I found another article in Elle magazine (in addition to the Salon article) that further discusses the subject and the 22-year-old Elliot Rodger:

    What Happens to Men Who Can't Have Sex

    Normally this is not the kind of topic that would get much attention on this website, but my interest is more general in the sense that marginalized people, especially young men, are more inclined to take out their frustrations in violent acts. Kids who have been bullied or just shunned by society as not fitting in, can develop extreme hatreds towards elements of our society. We tend to call it "mental illness" if he conducts a mass killing, but that's a catch all phrase for someone who may just feel left out, angry and has a hard time controlling his emotions.

    The high school environment can be especially cruel to an individual who socially does not seem to fit in and even teased or bullied by some of his fellow students. In the case of young men who cannot interact socially with women, it can have repercussions such as becoming a part of the Incel movement.

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    I bring in the topic because it kind of factors into the incidence of gun violence in this nation. The gun massacres that occur often seem to have a domestic violence connection.
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    There seems, also, to be a sexualized aspect to guns in this country.
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    Keren -- Yes I agree. From the article, Guns and Violence Against Women

    "Women in the United States are eleven times more likely to be murdered with guns than women in other high-income countries. When it comes to gun violence, the most dangerous place for a woman in the developed world is America.

    "Domestic violence in America is to a significant degree a problem of gun violence. Over the past 25 years, more intimate partner homicides in the U.S. have been committed with guns than with all other weapons combined. And people with a history of committing domestic violence are five times more likely to subsequently murder an intimate partner when a firearm is in the house."

    It's of course, not only homicides by guns but also physical and mental abuse by mostly men against their wives. There has been lots written on the subject, but our society seems almost incapable to respond meaningfully except "thoughts and prayers".

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    Schmidt, thanks for your link to the Everytown article. It never occurred to me to check their resources.
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    Let us not forget how the religionists have tried to repress sex. Where the hell do they think these urges go? Well, the religionists as well as those who back the religionists and those who seek profit anywhere channel it into weaponry, sports, killing animals for “sport”, massive displays of ego a la Donnie and his fixation with gold plate and so on. Stir in a measure of everyone has to look 22 years old and like a model and the end result is what we have.