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"Let the market decide on guns"

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    So says the Gadsden Times, Gadsden, Alabama, on its editorial page:

    As for the actual or threatened boycotts, we say to both sides — those who want stronger gun regulations and those in the “from my cold, dead fingers” brigade — have at it. Really let the market decide instead of just saying those words without meaning them.

    gadsdentimes.com/news/20180305/our-view...

    Please forgive my coarse language but, I am afraid that the market is a cold-hearted bitch with no soul. I hate using the "B" word but in our sexist language I can't think of a genderless or male noun that expresses the same level of condemnation as the sexist "B" word.

    Most of Alabama believes in, unfortunately and wholeheartedly, the entirely false interpretation of Adam Smith's "invisible hand" of the market, for these folks fail to go on to explore:

    The idea of an invisible hand that guides the free market to produce mutually beneficial outcomes is perhaps Adam Smith’s best-known idea. It has been interpreted to mean that acting in self-interest can be virtuous. But this would be an odd interpretation, given Smith explicitly says that virtue consists of thinking less about yourself and more about others:

    natewkratzer.wordpress.com/2013/11/05/t...

    which goes on to quote the real Adam Smith:

    And hence it is, that to feel much for others and little for ourselves, that to restrain our selfish, and to indulge our benevolent affections, constitutes the perfection of human nature; and can alone produce among mankind that harmony of sentiments and passions in which consists their whole grace and propriety. (Theory of Moral Sentiments, Part 1, Section 1, Chapter 5)

    Moral prudence. What an interesting concept in these days, these "Trump" times.

    The Theory Of Moral Sentiments was a real scientific breakthrough. It shows that our moral ideas and actions are a product of our very nature as social creatures. It argues that this social psychology is a better guide to moral action than is reason. It identifies the basic rules of prudence and justice that are needed for society to survive, and explains the additional, beneficent, actions that enable it to flourish.

    Self-interest and sympathy. As individuals, we have a natural tendency to look after ourselves. That is merely prudence. And yet as social creatures, explains Smith, we are also endowed with a natural sympathy – today we would say empathy – towards others. When we see others distressed or happy, we feel for them – albeit less strongly. Likewise, others seek our empathy and feel for us. When their feelings are particularly strong, empathy prompts them to restrain their emotions so as to bring them into line with our, less intense reactions. Gradually, as we grow from childhood to adulthood, we each learn what is and is not acceptable to other people. Morality stems from our social nature.

    The fiercely determined kids of Parkland, Florida, the survivors of the Valentine's Day massacre have it right. And, so do all those other kids nationwide, worldwide. Self-interest in pure survival. Self-interest in seeing that other survive.

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    Old white cowards. Thinking their guns make them safe. That's the furthest thing from the truth.

    Luckily the youth have a more intelligent well rounded approach. We all must push that agenda of reasonable laws and regulations. I am not against guns. I am against automatic weapons and high capacity clips.

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    There is one major problem with “let the market decide.” There is no such thing as “the market.” There are only transactions between parties. The legal system established by the state sets the boundaries, rules and regulations that frame these transactions. Thus “the market” can decide nothing. Furthermore in the case of guns such a solution is impossible to start with. The fact that the state couched ownership of weaponry as a “right” and rights only exist within the context of the body politic then only place to decide this lies within the legislature, the judiciary and the methods established for modification of rights which Jefferson noted applies to all rights. We already have modified and limited freedom of speech, religion, right to assemble and so on. The second amendment is just as susceptible to change as other rights. The question lies in whether or not the political will exists for legal/constitutional modification.

    As for political economy the problem with the majority of economic theology including, especially, Adam Smith is that they are static, backward looking theories which are presented as being capable of predicting future events. The so-called invisible hand is couched in the myth of getting our bread from the baker not due to his selflessness but due to his self-interest. In other words his self-interest meets our needs. This is patently and demonstrably false as noted by Duncan Foley in his book “Adam’s Fallacy”. A simple example is the baker who decides to move his business to where more customers are. Those he left behind are damaged by his self-interest. And furthermore the concept of return is nothing more than verbal semantics for interest. Interest is a claim on future growth thereforethe entire system is based on infinite growth which is impossible. We won’t get into here how capitalism is anti-democratic, anti-competition and anti-society in general.

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    TJ Wrote:

    Old white cowards. Thinking their guns make them safe. That's the furthest thing from the truth.

    Luckily the youth have a more intelligent well rounded approach. We all must push that agenda of reasonable laws and regulations. I am not against guns. I am against automatic weapons and high capacity clips.

    I think there is another psychological effect to it. They love their guns for similar reasons that NK says they have the right to have nuclear weapons. It gives them power to say and do things that they otherwise can't. It gives them un-earned respect.

    In any disagreement, all you need to do is pull out a gun and put it on the table; the disagreement becomes resolved in your favor in all situations where the other side has no gun. Don't need to use it, simply putting it on the table is enough to demonstrate you have the power and control over the situation.

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    wwjd Wrote:
    TJ Wrote:

    Old white cowards. Thinking their guns make them safe. That's the furthest thing from the truth.

    Luckily the youth have a more intelligent well rounded approach. We all must push that agenda of reasonable laws and regulations. I am not against guns. I am against automatic weapons and high capacity clips.

    I think there is another psychological effect to it. They love their guns for similar reasons that NK says they have the right to have nuclear weapons. It gives them power to say and do things that they otherwise can't. It gives them un-earned respect.

    In any disagreement, all you need to do is pull out a gun and put it on the table; the disagreement becomes resolved in your favor in all situations where the other side has no gun. Don't need to use it, simply putting it on the table is enough to demonstrate you have the power and control over the situation.

    Are people here that stupid and never read the "second amendment"? They should force people to read it! Sorry it does not say anywhere that you can own an AR 15, let alone an AK 47 or a magazine with a 100 rounds plus; neither does it say that you have to be any age to own an gun. Only the "militia" in 1800 can have guns in that "amendment! Let alone that "teachers" should have them. Why is this country so awful stupid!! That is the law, not what "lawyers" or the NRA made of it.