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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    the form of a Supreme Court ruling, a byproduct could be a Democratic-controlled Washington for another two years that passes a host of measures Republicans don’t want -- including federal legislation on abortion.

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/05/17/nation/republicans-might-finally-get-their-dream-ending-roe-politically-however-timing-is-horrible/

    What is also interesting about his specific case is that they have not tried to defend it in the lower courts, they just keep appealing it hoping to get to the SC, which it now has.

    This is very much an issue that Republicans leaders don't want solved because like guns, the issue is worth $100s of millions each election cycle. Take away the issue, takes away a huge revenue stream and a specific reason that motivates specific republicans to vote.

    As noted, if the SC rules to uphold this awful law it will force a democratic controlled congress to pass a national "Roe V Wade" law that takes the ruling and turn it into a specific law.

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    I still don't see what is there to gain. As I said before more babies are imported from the immigrants than ever, so what is the gain for the catholic church. Only if they can also indoctrinate the unwanted kids to attend their church and donate as well indoctrinate. The end result is, as the statistics prove that churches get less attendance each year.

    Even Biden should know better that his church is just an lying criminal institution; history has proven such as well today , just look what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. Every woman should have the rights on her own body; it is not "owned" by the church. Wake up America; religion is the curse of humanity; just read the history of it!

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    Anti-abortion activists often use the Bible to justify their position.

    That's a mistake.

    According to the bible, life begins at birth--when a baby draws its first breath. The bible defines life as "breath" in several significant passages, including the story of Adam's creation in Genesis 2:7, when God "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Jewish law traditionally considers that personhood begins at birth.

    Many antiabortionists quote the sixth commandment, "Thou shalt not kill" (Ex. 20:13) as evidence that the bible is antiabortion. They fail to investigate the bible's definition of life (breath) or its deafening silence on abortion. Moreover, the Mosaic law in Exodus 21:22-25, directly following the Ten Commandments, makes it clear that an embryo or fetus is not a human being.


    An honest reader must admit that the bible contradicts itself. "Thou shalt not kill" did not apply to many living, breathing human beings, including children, who are routinely massacred in the bible. The Mosaic law orders "Thou shalt kill" people for committing such "crimes" as cursing one's father or mother (Ex. 21:17), for being a "stubborn son" (Deut. 21:18-21), for being a homosexual (Lev. 20:13), or even for picking up sticks on the Sabbath (Numbers 15:32-35)! Far from protecting the sanctity of life, the bible promotes capital punishment for conduct which no civilized person or nation would regard as criminal.


    Mass killings were routinely ordered, committed or approved by the God of the bible. One typical example is Numbers 25:4-9, when the Lord casually orders Moses to massacre 24,000 Israelites: "Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the Lord against the sun." Clearly, the bible is not pro-life!


    Most scholars and translators agree that the injunction against killing forbade only the murder of (already born) Hebrews. It was open season on everyone else, including children, pregnant women and newborn babies.

    https://center.babygaga.com/t-264120/what-the-bible-says-about-when-life-begins.html#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20bible%2C%20life%20begins%20at%20birth--when,of%20life%3B%20and%20man%20became%20a%20living%20soul.%22

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    First of all it is "nutty" to live by the rules of an antique "human" written novel" No one from outer space ever wrote an "Bible" or "Koran", except in the "middle east" they created such, on this tiny "globe" alone . Neither is it an "law" book, approved by any "court". Every country has their own laws as it suits them. Religion has been created by "humans" only, because of the fear of the unknown as well the fear for "death". Sorry people "souls" don't exist nor can fly to "heaven" without fuel. There are millions of "stars" and "objects" in space, so tell me where "heaven" is and how do you get there without GPS or any of your "brains" who are left behind. Again "churches" should as an "human created" enterprise, not judge "life" or "death" . Nature itself determines who lives or dies; the cycle as it has done for centuries will repeat itself over and over again. Humanity may destroy itself at one time, and other life forms may continue, as was the case with the dinosaurs . I guess they were also not aware themselves of their demise or "god's". The "universe" will continue one way or another and is not dependent of the "human race" at all. It can sustain itself very well without "humans" and the interference of "churches" . I'm happy our "space" program did not start an "church" on Mars yet, but may be crazy enough to do so.

    Don't forget we as tiny "ants" are nothing in this huge universe, more like nasty "microbes" who ruin their own environment.

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    A three-judge panel from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit — including one judge, Julius Richardson, who was appointed by ex-President Donald Trump — has unanimously ruled that a ban on abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy in North Carolina is unconstitutional and must remain off the books. The decision upholds a ruling from a lower level federal court that previously struck down the ban. The original law allowed for abortions in certain instances involving so-called medical emergencies, but that was far from enough according to the judges handling the case.

    https://bipartisanreport.com/2021/06/16/3-judge-panel-rules-abortion-ban-illegal-in-blow-to-conservatives/

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    It's hard to believe that legal abortion is still being challenged nearly 50 years after the 1973 ruling that made it legal.

    The article below goes into a lot more detail, but here's a detail that you can't escape.

    Since 1973, the number of people in favor of legalized abortion has ALWAYS exceeded the number who are opposed.

    Roe v Wade.svg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade

    This morning's Arizona Republic reported that Doug Ducey has joined 11 other Republican governors and more than 200 GOP lawmakers and officials from across the country in asking the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn the landmark, controversial Roe v. Wade abortion ruling.

    In a brief filed Thursday, the governors joined Mississippi's argument that the 14th Amendment does not include the right to abortion and that the rulings in Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey upset the constitutional balance between states and the federal government.

    The 1973 decision in Roe v. Wade established a woman's right to an abortion nationwide, and nearly two decades later the court upheld that ruling in Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2021/07/29/arizona-gov-doug-ducey-tells-supreme-court-overturn-roe-v-wade/5420397001/

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    HCR's letter from last night discussed the abortion issue in detail.

    Although she had a lot of good points, here's my favorite sentence:

    By 1:00 this afternoon, the Fox News Channel had mentioned the decision only in a 20-second news brief in the 5 am hour. In political terms, it seems the dog has caught the car.

    Here's a few more key points:

    As I’ve said repeatedly, most Americans agree on most issues, even the hot button ones like abortion. A Gallup poll from June examining the issue of abortion concluded that only 32% of Americans wanted the U.S. Supreme Court's 1973 Roe v. Wade decision overturned, while 58% of Americans opposed overturning it.

    While it is hard to remember today, the modern-day opposition to abortion had its roots not in a moral defense of life but rather in the need for President Richard Nixon to win votes before the 1972 election.

    Abortion had been a part of American life since its inception, but states began to criminalize abortion in the 1870s. By 1960, an observer estimated that there were between 200,000 and 1.2 million illegal U.S. abortions a year, endangering women, primarily poor ones who could not afford a workaround.

    The first state to legalize abortion was California, when a Republican governor (Reagan) signed it into law.

    In 1971, even the evangelical Southern Baptist Convention agreed that abortion should be legal in some cases, and vowed to work for modernization. Their convention that year reiterated its “belief that society has a responsibility to affirm through the laws of the state a high view of the sanctity of human life, including fetal life, in order to protect those who cannot protect themselves” but also called on “Southern Baptists to work for legislation that will allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother.”

    In 1970, Nixon had directed U.S. military hospitals to perform abortions regardless of state law; in 1971, using Catholic language, he reversed course to split the Democrats, citing his personal belief "in the sanctity of human life—including the life of the yet unborn.”

    Traditional Republicans supported an activist government that regulated business and promoted social welfare, but radical right Movement Conservatives wanted to kill the active government. They attacked anyone who supported such a government as immoral. Abortion turned women's rights into murder.

    By 1988, Rush Limbaugh, the voice of Movement Conservatism, who was virulently opposed to taxation and active government, demonized women's rights advocates as "Femi-nazis" for whom "the most important thing in life is ensuring that as many abortions as possible occur." The complicated issue of abortion had become a proxy for a way to denigrate the political opponents of the radicalizing Republican Party.

    In 2012, Sandra Fluke testified before Congress , and asked them to mandate coverage for birth control

    Limbaugh called her a slut and a prostitute.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh%E2%80%93Sandra_Fluke_controversy

    The fact that the Fox News Channel is not mentioning what should have been a landmark triumph of its viewers’ ideology suggests Republicans know that ending safe and legal abortion is deeply unpopular. Their base finally, after all these years, got what it wanted. But now the rest of the nation, which had been assured as recently as the confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh that Roe v. Wade was settled law that would not be overturned, gets a chance to weigh in.

    The Arizona Daily Star this morning that many members of the GOP are not happy about the Texas law, since it demonizes them in the eyes of the voting public.

    Planned Parenthood and other organizations are using a variety of methods to reverse the law. Ultimately, their efforts could result in codifying the right to an abortion into Federal law. It's likely that the House will draw up a law in the near future, where it will pass. It will be a tougher sell in the Senate, but it could eventually pass there too, especially if GOP senators are reminded that MOST of their constituents support Roe V, Wade.

    Abortion opponents have won the battle, but they are going to lost the war.


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    After Trump persuaded Justice Kennedy to retire in 2018, I predicted trouble. Predictably, Trump nominated Brett Kavanaugh to replace him, and Amy Coney Barrett was sworn in 8 days before the 2020 election

    Kavanaugh was not properly vetted by the FBI, but it is unlikely he will forced to resign.

    Since we can no longer rely on the Supreme Court to pass fair and unbiased decisions, the best way to eliminate the Texas abortion law is to codify Roe v Wade into Federal law. That's a slam dunk in the House, but will be harder in the Senate.

    Even if Stephen Breyer retires, it won't shift the makeup of the court. Breyer will be replace by a liberal, but it will still be a 6-3 split favoring the conservatives.

    https://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2018/07/roe-v-wade-is-in-news-again.html

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    Churches should never have any influence on "governing". There should be strict "separation" between "church" and State. Jesus's ashes have no seat in the government either. Since this country has at least 50 types of religions with beautiful names etc. then not one religion should have anything to say about the "health" of the population. Every type of religion can get the Covid.

    All the "religious" fanatics should get some "real" education about the horrible past of all the churches and even now.

    All living things have the right to live their own life and own their own body; no one from outer space ever dictated people to write stupid books. The human race created all this crap themselves. Why make the earthly people suffer because some idiot in an Taliban like dress or pointed hat "dictates" you how to live? Why are these types not paying taxes or dragged before an court, because they "sell" B.S.? Sorry "religion" is an HUGE SCAM and "killed" millions of people for nothing. Ask Joanne of Arc.

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    Arizona, the Supreme Court was "designed" according to the Constitution to be "impartial"; since that is no longer the case then this institute should be "abandoned", because it does no longer operate according what the fore-fathers intended.

    Like I said so many time : An two party system (miles apart) and an partisan Supreme Court never works; the only solution is to put this whole outdated British crap in the garbage and start with a clean slate. Going on with this crap only will drop this country to an Roman Empire type as an has been.

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    The Senate Judiciary Committee announced Friday that it plans to hold a hearing examining Texas' six-week abortion ban and the controversial, expedited Supreme Court procedure that allowed it to take effect this week.

    The hearing -- for which a date and witnesses have not been announced -- is one of several fronts where Democrats are pushing back on the Texas abortion ban and on the conservative Supreme Court majority that let it go into force, despite its violation of the precedent set by the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision.

    The hearing will examine the Supreme Court's use of the so-called "shadow docket," the nickname for emergency actions taken by the court that do not go through the full briefing and hearing process of a formal opinion.

      By a 5-4 vote, the court just before midnight Wednesday issued an order that declined a request by abortion clinics that the justices block the Texas law, which was designed specifically with the aim of complicating the legal process by which federal courts weigh blocking laws before they go into effect.

      At a time when public confidence in government institutions has greatly eroded, we must examine not just the constitutional impact of allowing the Texas law to take effect, but also the conservative Court's abuse of the shadow docket," Durbin said in the hearing announcement, which also referenced a sharp dissent Justice Elena Kagan issued that criticized how the conservative majority has been using the shadow docket.

      In addition to Senate Democrats' plans to scrutinize the court's action in the Texas case, President Joe Biden said Thursday that his administration was mounting a "whole of government" response "to see what steps the Federal Government can take to ensure that women in Texas have access to safe and legal abortions." Attorney General Merrick Garland also said the Justice Department was "evaluating all options to protect the constitutional rights of women, including access to an abortion."

      https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/03/politics/senate-judiciary-hearing-supreme-court-shadow-docket/index.html

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      Sorry this is only an very meager, as the usual approach as they do always here. "Talk and "talk" and "manipulate"; nothing "black" and "white", because the "system" allows this. How many women in the meantime commit suicide? or use "coat hangers" or abortion pills or try to escape the "Taliban" State of Texas? But yeah the "wheels" of "justice" or "reality" here turn awful slowly. But the damage is done, because of an un-workable system in this "backwards country" Who is running this country? The "church" or an "well educated" (don't let me laugh) Government who takes "immediate" action to prevent "deaths". Churches are an "total human" created enterprise; treat them the same as any corrupt company.
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      Mexico’s supreme court voted Tuesday to decriminalize abortion, a striking step in a country with one of the world’s largest Catholic populations and a decision that contrasts with tighter restrictions introduced across the border in Texas.

      Ten supreme court judges ruled unconstitutional a law in northern Coahuila state that imposed up to three years of prison for women who underwent illegal abortions, or people who aided them. The 11th judge was absent during the vote. The ruling is binding on other states.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/09/07/mexico-abortion-supreme-court/

      Mexico has the 2nd highest number of Catholics in the world, right behind Brazil:

      https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/highest-catholic-population

      Four countries in Latin America allow abortion under virtually all circumstances in the early stages of pregnancy: Argentina, Cuba, Uruguay and Guyana. At the other end of the spectrum, some nations forbid abortion for any reason. In El Salvador, women accused of aborting a fetus can be prosecuted on assault or homicide charges, and face decades in prison.

      Since Argentina was home to the pope for a number of years, their loosening of abortion laws is a little surprising.

      The New York Times published an article about six months ago about Venezuela, where abortions are increasing because women can't afford birth control.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/09/07/mexico-abortion-supreme-court/

      As Venezuela enters its eighth year of economic crisis, a deeply personal drama is playing out inside the home: Millions of women are no longer able to find or afford birth control, pushing many into unplanned pregnancies at a time when they can barely feed the children they already have.

      Around Caracas, the capital, a pack of three condoms costs $4.40 — three times Venezuela’s monthly minimum wage of $1.50.

      Birth control pills cost more than twice as much, roughly $11 a month, while an IUD, or intrauterine device, can cost more than $40 — more than 25 times the minimum wage. And that does not include a doctor’s fee to have the device put in.

      With the cost of contraception so far out of reach, women are increasingly resorting to abortions, which are illegal and, in the worst cases, can cost them their lives.

      Ireland has long had strict restrictions on abortion, but the death of a prominent physician named Savita Praveen Hallapanavar created a shift in pubic opinion, and abortion was made legal on January 1, 2019.

      https://time.com/5286910/ireland-abortion-laws-history/

      https://www.abortionrightscampaign.ie/abortion-law-in-ireland/

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      Doesn't anyone, other than myself find it odd that republicans want to end abortions but they don't want to pass gun legislation where guns kill grownups in this country?

      I know, I know, people will say jeez dock, now you're comparing killing fetuses to people shooting and killing other people with guns, which is protected by our 200+ year old constitution! I say, what the hell is the difference to you republicans? It's okay to kill people with guns, but when a woman needs that option for her health and other matters, you say oh NO!

      This is more proof that republicans are hypocrites!

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      The only reason is that they want "power" over the people the same as churches do to get their money. It is an age old struggle to find ways and means to get them to be obedient to the State. The Taliban is still an "antique" example, which also uses the same things to have women to obey with how to dress and own their "bodies" as well keep them un-educated.

      Idiots like DeSantis and Abbott see that as an "power" grab to keep them in the saddle and via the church "knight" them into submission.

      This happening is straight out of the playbook of the 15th Century where the Kings and "churches" reigned and got "rich" and because of it and could built their gold plated "cathedrals" and "castles".

      Thus in other words nothing has changed much over time, regardless if people managed to walk on the moon. It shows that the "human mind" here is still stuck in 15th Century beliefs. Shaking my old tired head in disbelief

      Only such is possible in the US, because of sticking to "antique" beliefs and no "facts" as well having an "chaotic" governing system without any "common sense". Just let partisan lawyers have it their way. But yeah, no one has the guts to drag Abbott and DeSantis for an court and accuse them of "murder" of women" and "children" due to their actions. Unbelievable!!!