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Mike Pence predicts an end to legal abortions

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    Nixon may have been a crook, but his administration actually passed some very meaningful legislation. The Clean Air Act. The Clean Water Act. and OSHA, all of which Trump is trying to undermine, were passed during his administration.

    Another one of Nixon's achievements is Title X, which Trump is also trying to undermine. It was passed in 1970 as part of The Public Health Service Act. Title X is legally designed to prioritize the needs of low-income families or uninsured people (including those who are not eligible for Medicaid) who might not otherwise have access to these health care services. These services are provided to low-income and uninsured individuals at reduced or no cost. Its overall purpose is to promote positive birth outcomes and healthy families by allowing individuals to decide the number and spacing of their children.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_X

    Due to Trump's actions, it just got harder to get birth control in America.

    On Monday of this week, Trump's plans to gut Title X paid off, when Planned Parenthood, which serves about 40% of the Title X patients in the country, felt compelled to withdraw from the program. One again, Trump is taking our country backward 50 years.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/19/opinion/planned-parenthood-title-x.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    The Guttmacher Institute, a research group that supports reproductive rights, found that Title X clinics helped prevent more than 822,000 unintended pregnancies in 2015. The institute estimates that for every dollar the federal government spends on family planning, it saves more than $7.

    What Trump and all the pro-life crazy people fail to comprehend is that their restrictive abortion laws lead to MORE ABORTIONS , which has already happened in some counties in Texas, because women find it more difficult to get birth control.

    In the words of Thomas Malthus:

    "You people keep on f*****g, you gonna have children"

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    Rachel Maddow released a report that is absolutely nothing to CLAP about.

    In January of 2017, the New Hampshire Department of Health and Human Services released a report showing that the state was experiencing an outbreak of gonorrhea. The also said that the state is experiencing an outbreak of syphilis. A decision by the Trump Administration to add new restrictions to federal funding for healthcare clinics that provide abortions, most notably Planned Parenthood, has taken a bite out of services,” Maddow explained. “One casualty of that funding crunch providers say has been STD testing.”​

    http://dctribune.org/msnbc-host-warns-of-possible-std-outbreaks-thanks-to-the-trump-administration/

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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    Rachel Maddow released a report that is absolutely nothing to CLAP about.

    In January of 2017, the New Hampshire Department of Health and Human Services released a report showing that the state was experiencing an outbreak of gonorrhea. The also said that the state is experiencing an outbreak of syphilis. A decision by the Trump Administration to add new restrictions to federal funding for healthcare clinics that provide abortions, most notably Planned Parenthood, has taken a bite out of services,” Maddow explained. “One casualty of that funding crunch providers say has been STD testing.”?

    http://dctribune.org/msnbc-host-warns-of-possible-std-outbreaks-thanks-to-the-trump-administration/

    That is what you get if you put an total uneducated asshole in the W.H. I hope therefore that he visits New Hampshire and screws some one .
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    I've been under the impression that more restrictive abortion laws would lead to MORE abortions, due to the fact that women would have more trouble getting access to birth control. In some states, that is true, as exemplified by a few counties in Texas. Most to my surprise, though, the abortion rate continue to decline, according to the Guttmacher Institute. The declines were seen across regions and in states that are more supportive of abortion rights as well as those that are more restrictive.

    “Antiabortion activists are going to try to take credit for this decline, but the facts don’t support their argument,” Rachel Jones, principal research scientist for Guttmacher, which supports abortion rights, said in a call with reporters.

    Nearly every state had lower abortion rates regardless of whether the state had passed any laws related to abortion access, and some states with new restrictions saw their abortion rates go up.

    Guttmacher logged nearly 400 abortion restrictions passed by states from 2011 to 2017. Indiana — Vice President Pence’s home state and the one in which he served as governor for four of those years — enacted the most, 37. Kansas was close behind with 31, and Arkansas with 29.

    While every state in the United States is home to an abortion clinic, five — North Dakota, Kentucky, Mississippi, West Virginia and Kansas — have only one. In contrast, California has 161, the most in the nation; New York, 113; Florida, 65; and New Jersey, 41.

    Guttmacher officials emphasized that while restrictions may not be impacting the overall numbers, they take a toll on individuals. “Abortion restrictions are coercive and cruel by design and intended to impose a heavy financial and emotional toll,” said Herminia Palacio, Guttmacher president and CEO.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/09/18/us-abortion-rate-falls-lowest-level-since-roe-v-wade/

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    What the "pro-life" crowd fails to comprehend is that the passage of restrictive abortions laws will cost taxpayers lots of money. According to today's Washington Post, taxpayers in those states have paid MILLIONS of dollars in attorney fees for abortion providers.
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    We all know this is completely unrealistic, and is merely a ploy to rally support behind their core pool of voters. With that being said, we can all agree that everyone should have the right to abortion up to a certain point in the pregnancy.

    Any prudent adult is capable of, and should make that decision prior to the third trimester. It is asinine to wait until the third trimester to get an abortion of a healthy child. All political parties can agree on that. It is simply irresponsible to wait that far into a pregnancy, and I think that is where all parties can find a common ground. In regards to abortion ever being banned, no way. It would be impossible for any leader in this country that exists as a democracy to wield that type of power. That is why we have a system of checks and balances in place.

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    No, your body is your own and you should be able to do with it within certain limits. However it should never be an task of the government to meddle in it. Social services are there to help in case of an "mental" issue; "doctors" in case of an sickness or damage to your body. Due to the "evangelical" nonsense, who pushed their idiotic thinking into the government we have this situation. People like Pence never should be elected, because their brains are indoctrinated by the "church". Governing should be "separation" of "church" and State. Stick to that, then you don't have these ridiculous issues in societies.
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    Phil Wrote:

    We all know this is completely unrealistic, and is merely a ploy to rally support behind their core pool of voters. With that being said, we can all agree that everyone should have the right to abortion up to a certain point in the pregnancy.

    Any prudent adult is capable of, and should make that decision prior to the third trimester. It is asinine to wait until the third trimester to get an abortion of a healthy child. All political parties can agree on that. It is simply irresponsible to wait that far into a pregnancy, and I think that is where all parties can find a common ground. In regards to abortion ever being banned, no way. It would be impossible for any leader in this country that exists as a democracy to wield that type of power. That is why we have a system of checks and balances in place.

    The checks and balances system you speak of was broken when Trump took office.
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    The checks and balance system was broken when Bush took office compliments of the 2000 Supreme Court intervening in the Florida recount. Oh and four years later in 2004 with election fraud in Ohio, the system was ensured to be broken another four years. I put Bush down as an illegitimate president and the second worst in history. He was the worst until Trump took that title from him. Neither were legitimate in the sense that neither was representative of the consensus of the majority of the American people.
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    Dutch Wrote: . People like Pence never should be elected, because their brains are indoctrinated by the "church". Governing should be "separation" of "church" and State. Stick to that, then you don't have these ridiculous issues in societies.

    It is all a matter of perspective, time, and patience. If it were the 1600s, you'd be yelling in the town square "There is no such thing as a witch!!!" and Mike Pence would be demanding you, and others like you, be burned at the stake because you are possessed by the devil.

    If we fast forward several decades from 2020, Trump and Pence will be be viewed much in the same light; two people who were total fucked up assholes, with a lot of fucked up people believed them.

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    Pence and Pompeo are typical of people who never learned to analyse or think for themselves what reality is and what is fake. The reason is the "church" indoctrination; just believe what they say, without wondering if it could be true or just impossible. For instance "dead people" are not "dead", but their "invisible soul" (never seen or detected by science or doctors, or what is stored in it) flies to Mars and beyond, without any "stored energy", and gets judged by invisible "ghosts" up there who wrote an Marsian law book with invisible ink based on "Earthian" law. These "ghosts" will up there determine "hell" or "heaven" for this invisble "soul". I guess such "soul" has no "nerve endings" so it does not feel pain. Thus"hell" is not so bad. I would suggest to built an Trump "wall" in between "hell" and "heaven". etc. etc.

    Pence believes all of this and lives in this la la land; how can anyone be that indoctrinated and govern an country with all kind of "believers" who did come from all places on this globe who have 100's of different religious backgrounds and cultures?

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    You should not be able to have *a* say because you lack the ability to use a and an correctly. It should have read "*a* task", "*a* "mental" issue", "*a* sickness". How are you allowed to vote with such a high level of incompetence?

    Is it just me or is Schmidt leading a narrow minded view of intolerance toward religion? You don't have to be religious, but don't be hateful toward those who think differently. Prior posters have lumped everyone that is religious effectively into one category. The difference between Mormons and Catholics is massive, and they should not be lumped into some category of being assumed to be one in the same.

    Also, church and the state are still separate. Part of politics is rallying support through groups that typically vote for the party you represent. It makes sense for a republican looking to rally support would say what people want to hear at a conservative church. Not everything should be taken literally, and actually believed to come true. Schmidt is incapable of separating reality from delusion.

    In regards to intolerance, insulting people who think differently from you, and follow the Christian faith in one form or another is toxic. Anyone who thinks like Schmidt and others in regards to their intolerance towards and demeaning comments about those who follow Christianity should not be allowed to vote. They are exploring another avenue of intolerance, and displaying a behavior that is the same as what they despise in Trump.

    For those of you that consider Christians dumb or narrow minded, look at yourself and realize many of them are far more tolerant and intelligent than you. Every year many of the students graduating from Ivy League universities subscribe to one of the facets of the Christian faith. They are in fact far more intelligent than the majority of you making intolerant comments, and actually being incompetent enough to believe everything you read like any form of abortion will not be allowed. My cousin and his wife graduated from Columbia, and they are both Episcopalian. Is Schmidt going to lose it? Oh wait, he's already in a retirement home berating the residents who are not atheists.

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    Strange thinking; sorry religion is like they say an "believe" (mostly fantasy's) but not "facts". No one ever has seen or met an "god" thing (may be Trump is one?). There are a zillion planets etc. up there; please tell me where invisible never found "souls" fly to without energy etc. Again "religion" is solely used by humans to cover up their fear of the unknown and death. Nothing else. Strong "believers" are therefore very insecure. Ask Pence.
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    Phil -- I don't know what your agenda is. You have made three posts on this website, two of them attacking me personally. And in both of those attacks you have vastly mischaracterized my views on religion. For your information, my mother was a devout Christian...the real kind. She practiced the teachings of Jesus her whole life until her death of cancer. She was married to my Dad, a lifelong atheist, for over 50 years. What I learned from them is tolerance. They never spoke harshly of each others views because they shared the same views on morality. My Dad liked Gandhi...my mother worshipped Jesus.

    Now I have met many so called Christians in my life (mostly hypocrites compared to my mother), and have pretty much not engaged them in arguments on religion. I am a person of science. Those religious people who want to believe that the world is 6,000 years old, or that humans and dinosaurs coexisted at the same time, or that the second coming of Christ will save them as they are raptured up to heaven, can go about their lives believing all that stuff and more. I have learned long ago not to engage them as they are 100 percent married to their views as are my many former Muslim colleagues who have 100 percent certitude that their views of religion and God are correct. Ditto for my Catholic and Mormon friends and colleagues...and Hindus.

    I have read much of their scriptures and in particular have noted the many inconsistencies in the Bible and Qu'ran when it comes to morality and killing people...e.g. stoning unruly children to death as called for in the Bible (Deuteronomy 18: 18-21). The fact that there are some 33,000 distinct denominations of Christianity is a result of Christians being able to pick and choose amongst all the inconsistencies and alternative interpretations of the Bible. And then they have the audacty to call the Bible "God's word" when it was actually written over centuries by some 40 different authors with differing political and moral views.

    In Montana, Rep Greg Gianforte said this: “How old was Noah when he built the Ark? 600. He wasn’t like, cashing Social Security checks. He wasn’t hanging out; he was working. So, I think we have an obligation to work. The role we have in work may change over time, but the concept of retirement is not biblical.” Yes I mocked it because Gianforte is one who is trying to impose his religious beliefs onto governmental policies.

    That is just one example. I could cite many others. Where I have been highly critical of Christians, especially the evangelicals, is their efforts to impose their religious beliefs into government laws and policies. I support the LGBTQ community and don't believe that government or businesses should be able to discriminate against them based on their gender identity. I believe in a woman's right to choose and that government should stay out of policing bedrooms or policing women's bodies. Incidentally, the number of 3rd semester abortions in this country are about 1 percent and many of them are from medical complications.

    I believe that Climate Change is largely man made although there is a natural component. Yet Christians are the main obstacle for the government to take real measures to combat climate change.

    Washington Post: Why don’t Christian conservatives worry about climate change? God.

    Sheesh...they piss me off with their pious stance. My mother, a real Christian, would have not approved. I could go on and on. Still I have many friends and relatives who are highly religious, and I don't engage them unless they get off track on trying to impose their beliefs onto me and my government. We learned to tolerate and not argue each other's views to an extent.

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    Schmidt:

    I am complete agreement with your views.