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Mike Pence predicts an end to legal abortions


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  • Schmidt
    2018-02-28 10:06:17 AM
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    Huffington Post, February 28, 2018: Mike Pence Suggests Legal Abortions In U.S. Could End ‘In Our Time’

    Mike Pence made a speech at a luncheon hosted by the Susan B. Anthony List and Life Institute, in which he proclaimed that “life is winning in America once again'.” Calling on the activists to work ever harder to help “restore the sanctity of life to the center of American law,” he made a "stunning suggestion that legal abortion could “once again” be banned in the U.S., and that it could happen “in our time.”"

    We should worry. As we have discussed many times in this website, for the religious right (evangelicals, fundamentalists, many Catholics, Mormons, and others) this is the single defining issue in their time. It's why the evangelicals, for one, vote in overwhelming numbers for anti-abortionists. They are on a Christian Crusade to see Roe v Wade overturned.

    We should not misjudge the strength of their movement. They VOTE.

  • Dutch
    2018-02-28 10:26:08 AM
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    Yes sickening; Let's hope we can vote these idiots out in 2020; but yeah Trump by executive order told the churches they can pray "politics" in church. Let's hope there will come a time that churches will be taxed; it is now an "heaven" for total idiots. If Trump gets out before 2020 due to Mueller, then Pence should go as well as an accomplish to the crime.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-02-28 10:44:02 AM
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    “restore the sanctity of life to the center of American law,”

    Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare

  • jaredsxtn
    2018-02-28 05:33:18 PM
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    This is yet another example of why voting (or not voting) matters.

    Some anti-abortion activists may have had to swallow hard before voting for Donald, but their decision has paid dividends beyond their wildest dreams. A far right Supreme Court justice who will serve for the next 30 or 40 years was rammed through and the Court is one left wing justice dying away from being in Republican control for a generation or more. Thanks, Bernie or busters. I hope it was worth it.

    Pence is right - legal abortion in America is on life support. Some states already have already made it so difficult for women to get a legal abortion that they are forced to make the choice between driving hundreds of miles (and potentially losing their job in the process because they don't have any paid days off and live paycheck to paycheck) for an abortion and having a child they don't want and likely can't afford.

  • lonely bird
    2018-02-28 05:43:04 PM
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    Abortion may be losing but that most certainly doesn’t mean life is winning. Especially with shitheads like Mike Pence in power.
  • jaredsxtn
    2018-02-28 06:05:05 PM
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    lonely bird Wrote: Abortion may be losing but that most certainly doesn’t mean life is winning. Especially with shitheads like Mike Pence in power.

    Hear! Hear!

    A lot of human beings (not just fetuses) will die if abortion was criminalized. Women will resort to what they did before Roe and many will unintentionally kill themselves trying to terminate a pregnancy they didn't want to have.

    Mike Pence is a terrible human being, but he is who the Electoral College elected to be our Vice President. Maybe Bernie or busters should have thought about that when they voted for Donald because he will become President if Donald gets removed from office. Thanks, Bernie or busters. I hope it was worth it.

  • wwjd
    2018-02-28 09:32:10 PM
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    The only way I see Roe v Wade being over-turned is if there were change in the Constitution making it illegal to have an abortion.

    It's a deadlock issue, thus like guns, nothing will change at the national level, and the SC will not get involved until something significant changes that forces them to evaluated R0e v Wade.


  • Schmidt
    2018-03-01 12:48:05 AM
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    FiveThirtyEight has an article on the how the Supreme Court could overturn Roe v Wade without overturning it. Basically they would chip away at it in various decisions narrowing it's scope such that it would be ineffective and severely limit states abilities to provide abortions. Basically they would uphold a series of lower court rulings on states restrictions until the original precedent is overwhelmed.

    Of course, with the right make-up of the court they could just overturn it in one case ruling. However, SCOTUS is reluctant to overrule precedent of previous courts, and they have done that just 250 times since 1810.

    Whether chipping away at Roe v Wade or just overturning in one ruling, really depends on the number of conservatives on the court. Replacing one more liberal justice with another "Gorsuch" will likely make either of the above possibilities more likely.

    More reason to VOTE.

  • Dutch
    2018-03-01 08:59:15 AM
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    lonely bird Wrote: Abortion may be losing but that most certainly doesn’t mean life is winning. Especially with shitheads like Mike Pence in power.

    Hear! Hear!

    A lot of human beings (not just fetuses) will die if abortion was criminalized. Women will resort to what they did before Roe and many will unintentionally kill themselves trying to terminate a pregnancy they didn't want to have.

    Mike Pence is a terrible human being, but he is who the Electoral College elected to be our Vice President. Maybe Bernie or busters should have thought about that when they voted for Donald because he will become President if Donald gets removed from office. Thanks, Bernie or busters. I hope it was worth it.

    No, Jared you can blame the "corrupt" voting system here as well the brainless "evangelicals"; not Bernie or other candidates. In Europe you sometimes have 11 parties where you can vote for, so you just choose which party fits your lifestyle. Here the "independents" actually don't like either party, so most don't even vote, but may be forced to if things get too crazy.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-03-01 09:59:54 AM
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    jaredsxtn said:

    "Maybe Bernie or busters should have thought about that when they voted for Donald because he will become President if Donald gets removed from office. Thanks, Bernie or busters. I hope it was worth it."

    Who's fault is it that a razor thin margin against the worst candidate possibly one of the worst human beings existed? The opposite of "Bernie or bust" is "anybody but Bernie". Is that the status quo attitude? Too much attention on the loss and "anybody but Bernie". Supporting Hillary for 2020 ?

  • that guy in AZ
    2018-03-01 10:24:45 AM
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    20 states, including Arizona, have filed a suit related to the individual mandate in Obamacare, and the case is now in the Supreme Court. Although the Republicans failed to repeal Obamacare entirely, they will continue to chip away at it.

    As a result, it is not inconceivable that some red states could file another suit to make abortion illegal, and force it higher courts. It would be stupid, but that does not mean if won't happen.

    The best hope for all of us will be the "blue wave" in November.

    I'm currently in the process of reading "Scarlet A" - the ethics, law & politics of ordinary abortion. The woman who wrote the book, Katie Watson, is a lawyer and a professor at Northwestern University. As a result, it is not an easy read. However, it is a very thorough examination of abortion from every possible angle. I asked my local library to buy it for me - and they did.

  • Dutch
    2018-03-01 11:11:32 AM
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    This is yet another example of why voting (or not voting) matters.

    Some anti-abortion activists may have had to swallow hard before voting for Donald, but their decision has paid dividends beyond their wildest dreams. A far right Supreme Court justice who will serve for the next 30 or 40 years was rammed through and the Court is one left wing justice dying away from being in Republican control for a generation or more. Thanks, Bernie or busters. I hope it was worth it.

    Pence is right - legal abortion in America is on life support. Some states already have already made it so difficult for women to get a legal abortion that they are forced to make the choice between driving hundreds of miles (and potentially losing their job in the process because they don't have any paid days off and live paycheck to paycheck) for an abortion and having a child they don't want and likely can't afford.

    Yes, the worst thing is that "evangelicals" keep on voting and don't change their mind. The only thing women can do is go outside the country (probably cheaper as well) to get an abortion. Coat hanger sales may skyrocket in this country thus more emergency calls for our hospitals. What a country.
  • TJ
    2018-03-01 01:23:13 PM
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    jaredsxtn said:

    "Maybe Bernie or busters should have thought about that when they voted for Donald because he will become President if Donald gets removed from office. Thanks, Bernie or busters. I hope it was worth it."

    Who's fault is it that a razor thin margin against the worst candidate possibly one of the worst human beings existed? The opposite of "Bernie or bust" is "anybody but Bernie". Is that the status quo attitude? Too much attention on the loss and "anybody but Bernie". Supporting Hillary for 2020 ?

    If Hillary runs in '20, I will actively campaign against her. Could she be great ? Undoubtedly. We can't afford to throw away 4 more years. It wouldn't surprise me if they chose a losing candidate. It would be moronic.
  • jaredsxtn
    2018-03-01 02:51:16 PM
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    Dutch Wrote: No, Jared you can blame the "corrupt" voting system here as well the brainless "evangelicals"; not Bernie or other candidates. In Europe you sometimes have 11 parties where you can vote for, so you just choose which party fits your lifestyle. Here the "independents" actually don't like either party, so most don't even vote, but may be forced to if things get too crazy.

    We're getting a bit off topic, but we don't have a corrupt voting system; we have a voting system that allows the minority to overrule the will of the majority. It's an infuriating way to choose a President, but I wouldn't go so far as calling it corrupt.

    And as I've pointed out many, many times - European countries have an entirely different system of governance than the United States. Those eleven (or more) parties get together after elections and form coalitions that is then by a Prime Minister.

    However, voting for a third party candidate in the United States is the same as literally throwing your vote away. My statement about the Bernie or busters is different. It is a fact that Bernie or busters in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania provided more than enough votes to Donald to hand him the Presidency.

    I was not trying to steer the conversation away from Mike Pence and abortion, but was merely expressing my ongoing frustration with the Bernie camp for the shit show we find ourselves in and reminding people that all of this could have been avoided had those Bernie or busters simply stayed home in 2016.

    Elections have consequences. That's something nearly half of the population needs to realize.

  • jaredsxtn
    2018-03-01 02:54:53 PM
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Who's fault is it that a razor thin margin against the worst candidate possibly one of the worst human beings existed? The opposite of "Bernie or bust" is "anybody but Bernie". Is that the status quo attitude? Too much attention on the loss and "anybody but Bernie". Supporting Hillary for 2020 ?

    I'd support Hillary over Bernie any day of the week. The thing is Hillary actually took her loss (although she won by three million votes) and said that she'll never run for elected office again. Bernie, on the other hand, took his loss and somehow convinced himself that he's the Democrats knight in shining armor.

    Let's get back on topic though. My one sentence blasting Bernie or busters was simply me expressing frustration at our current state of affairs and lamenting that we wouldn't even be having this discussion if Hillary were President.

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