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  • Liberal Democrat
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    David Leonhardt, New York Times, February 25, 2018: The Left Is Energized. Now It Needs to Vote.

    Leonhardt addresses a topic that is one of my hot buttons. As a former precinct chair, my Democratic colleagues and I said "never again" as we looked at the results of the disastrous 2010 midterm election. We said we would go all out in 2014 to reach the voters who went fishing (or something else) on election day in 2010...especially the young people. I wore out my knees and legs climbing apartment stairways to seek out young people. We really tried...and failed.

    As the graph in the Leonhardt's article shows, only 16 percent, one of every six citizens, in the 18-29 year olds voted in the 2014 election. On the other hand, 55 percent of the 60 plus generation voted. The former largely leans liberal...the latter largely conservative.

    The biggest obstacle I found was voter apathy. I just could not connect with young people knocking on their doors and interrupting whatever they were doing. That all changed in 2016 as the Bernie movement brought out a massive participation of young people in the caucuses. So I give kudos to Bernie for energizing them.

    Now I am optimistic for a large voter turnout in the midterm caucuses (Colorado's is March 6th) to select the Democratic Party's nominee for governor. I expect not only young people but also women and anyone who hates Trump's immigration policies. However, I still have anxiety about the whole thing. I attended and run caucus meetings as precinct chair, and while I appreciated the passion of those who attended, what was always conspicuous to me were the voters who were absent. Those parents with kids in school or people who had to work. It was just always older retired folks like me whose kids had long left home.

    Bernie, of course, changed that, and the 2016 caucus had lots of very young college and high school kids to compliment us "gray haired" folks on the other side of the room. There were very few of the 40 somethings in between.

    My worry about the caucus selection process is that the demographics of the people attending the caucuses are not the same demographics of the people who will be voting on election day. We'll see how it turns out. I just hope we can pick a candidate for governor that appeals to moderates and independents and not just the progressives.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I share much of your same concerns. We get the government we vote (or don't vote) for.

    Forty percent of eligible voters don't take the time to participate in our democracy in Presidential elections and sixty percent or more don't take the time to participate in our democracy in off year elections and yet people who sit on their ass year in and year out think they have the right to bitch and moan about how shitty everything is.

    I'm worried about the midterm elections for many reasons. The Senate map is horrendous for Democrats. The House is so gerrymandered that Democrats are going to have to come out in droves if we want to stand a *chance* of getting that chamber back. And Bernie or busters seem intent on a "my way or the highway" litmus test strategy that may very well tank our chances of winning over moderate and center-left America.

    It all adds up to another perfect storm where we may see the majority of Americans vote for a Democratic candidate in 2018, but Republicans retain control of both chambers of Congress because enough Democrats didn't show up in the districts and states that actually matter.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Well jeez guyz. We got the perfect storm. A chance to take a chance and in spite of all the signs to the positive you just don't want Bernie for a candidatde. What have you got to lose? Really what have you got to lose? Hillary has even less of a chance to win in 20 that she did in 16. Trump won with the biggest possible lie there could be, promising lots of good paying jobs. 40% of the people can't come up with 400 dollars in an emergency. The rest of the lower working class are living paycheck to paycheck . Wondering how to get those people to vote ???? Promise them some steps backward. Raise the trump tax relief to the upper class. Go back to the old fashioned wall street that acted like front running was illegal. Go back to the old fashioned way of getting money by earning it instead of phinesseing it. Tell government to spend money because that is how an economy works. Tell the country that spending is good because that is what an economy is making and selling and making more and selling more . Prosperity. Tell your kids that working hard for an unattainable goal is pure f**k*ng stupid . Tell them to demand that their government punishes hoarding and rewards jobs producers. Tell them things are going to get better because wall street is going to become a renaissance center by going backwards and slowing down. There is a lot to be excited about but it aint gonna happen with just get out and vote. Promise the voters what is entirely possible and election day will have to be extended to get all the voters in.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Well jeez guyz. We got the perfect storm. A chance to take a chance and in spite of all the signs to the positive you just don't want Bernie for a candidatde. What have you got to lose? Really what have you got to lose?

    A lot. A whole lot. Exchanging one snake oil salesman with another isn't going to magically fix all of our problems.

    Remember how Bernie lost the 2016 Democratic primary by millions of votes? I do. How have you convinced yourself that will be any different the next go around?

    I'm also more focused on 2018 than 2020 right now. Bernie will very likely win reelection in Vermont, but his my way or the highway mentality doesn't play well for Democrats like Claire McCaskill and Joe Manchin.

    So "what have [I] got to lose?" A chance to retake the House and Senate. A chance to see a Democratic majority have subpoena power to investigate Donald and have a chance to finally hold him accountable.

    Or we can keep fighting among ourselves and allow a minority of far left leaning people to ride roughshod over the will of the American people because they were so upset that their guy didn't win.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    If the DNC doesn't come up with a platform favoring and appealing to the working class over wall street you will have a Republican president in 2020.

    And that is pretty much the same thing I told you in 2015 when I said Hillary couldn't win because she wasn't in touch with the working class.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Chet -- I have told you numerous times in this website. The DNC does not "come up with a platform" of any kind. It is NOT their responsibility. The Democratic Party platform is built from the grass roots up every four years. The next update will be in 2020. It is party members like me who provide resolutions at the precinct level to start the platform building process. It is consolidated and refined at each level with the Democratic nominee for president putting the final touches to it.

    So look for the next update in about October 2020. I'll be doing my part starting in March 2020. If the "working class" as you call it wants to be a part of the platform building process, then they just need to volunteer like me at the precinct and county level. If they choose not to participate and leave it to people like me, then they'll be on the sidelines bitching as usual.

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    As I told you guys many times the reasons why people here don't vote: THEIR VOTE DOES NOT COUNT because of the antique "electoral college" as well the "corrupt" system of "super PAC's" and "billionaires" as well "lobbyists" who "buy" people and their "votes". On top of that " gerrymandering" and "voter suppression". Also if the "candidates" are not properly "vetted" before the "voting" takes place, then you get a "mob" boss in the White House. Also a "two" party system creates lots of "independents" who don't like any of the parties and therefore don't vote. (a lot different in Europe!) Just compare that to Europe where in France voter turnout was 83%. So no one should be surprised that voter turnout is very low here because of the "corruption" here.

    Thus wake up America, you are being screwed over all the way. Just look at the "quality" of the members of Congress; most GOP elected idiots can't even count to ten, but watch FOX news all day.

    Thus I bitch for a good reason; Schmidt, what you are doing is the same as mopping the deck of the Titanic before it goes down in this big "ocean".(means "the world")

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Chet -- I have told you numerous times in this website. The DNC does not "come up with a platform" of any kind. It is NOT their responsibility. The Democratic Party platform is built from the grass roots up every four years. The next update will be in 2020. It is party members like me who provide resolutions at the precinct level to start the platform building process. It is consolidated and refined at each level with the Democratic nominee for president putting the final touches to it.

    So look for the next update in about October 2020. I'll be doing my part starting in March 2020. If the "working class" as you call it wants to be a part of the platform building process, then they just need to volunteer like me at the precinct and county level. If they choose not to participate and leave it to people like me, then they'll be on the sidelines bitching as usual.

    Schmidt, 100% absolutely true. 100% passive aggressive. That is why Trump is president. If you think the DNC can't steer the platform and direction of the party why did they pick Perez over Ellison?

    Key Question About DNC Race: Why Did Obama White House Recruit Perez to ...

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    Feb 24, 2017 · It appears that the underlying reason some Democrats prefer Perez over Ellison has nothing to do with ideology, but rather his loyalty to the Obama wing. As the head.

    Schmidt, Are you saying there is no discussion in the DNC on who and how they want to run for president?

    Summer of 2020 is too late. As soon as Hillary lost there should have been an emergency meeting called to rectify the loss. What I see is no action because they feel they were cheated.

    Ill stop using DNC and replace it with Democratic Party. I know who goes to the convention and it is not grass roots. It is party people active in the party at the county level.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch -- I would disagree with you again. People do not vote for a variety of reasons, but believing that their vote does not count is not one of them. From a Washington Post article of why the voter turn-out in the 2014 midterm election was so poor, the main reason cited in a census poll was "too busy" (28 %). That was followed by "not interested" (16 %), "illness/disability (11%), "out of town" (10 percent), "forgot to vote" (8 %), "disliked candidates/issues" (8 %), "registration problems" (2%), and a few others.

    Now I have cited "voter apathy" based on my first hand experiences in knocking on doors of young people in 2014 who just seemed to me disinterested when I tried to pin that demographic down on their "hot button" issues. That changed in 2016 in a big way due to Bernie. But unfortunately much of that passion was misdirected as hate against Hillary.

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    Chet -- The article you are citing is by Glenn Greenwald, a far left Bernie supporter. So yeah, you'll get that kind of emotional response from a Bernie loyalist. But I'll offer you a more informed opinion. Tom Perez was a better choice because he had more centrist appeal, not because he was an Obama or Hillary loyalist. Perez is a realist not a Bernie ideologue.

    Greenwald is making Obama the enemy. I have read other articles by him, and I have disagreed with his far left ideology...a "la la land" kind of thinking that doesn't address the reality of the full spectrum of the voter electorate.

    Just appealing to the Bernie wing of the party is a recipe for disaster. We saw what happened in Montana when Perez was "disinvited" from helping out in the off year election, and only Bernie was allowed to campaign for the folk singer Democrat. There was lots of "Bernie, Bernie" shout-outs at the rallies across the state. But when it came time to vote, Montanans chose the body slamming Greg Gianforte and his "Noah worked until he was 600 years old" message over the ultra liberal folk singer who wrapped his arms around Bernie. That should have been a wake-up call, but instead the Bernie folks blamed the DNC. Sheesh. They sure love to cast blame.

    I keep monitoring the Our Revolution website and their candidates. Frankly I don't see their slate of candidates getting more than a third of the vote in a national election at the most. That doesn't cut it.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "Tom Perez was a better choice because he had more centrist appeal,"

    That is what lost and will lose. Centrist is not needed when it has been lopsided against the lower classes . Senator Graham took care of the upper class. Now the lower class needs a leader to right Graham's wrongs.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Dutch -- I would disagree with you again. People do not vote for a variety of reasons, but believing that their vote does not count is not one of them. From a Washington Post article of why the voter turn-out in the 2014 midterm election was so poor, the main reason cited in a census poll was "too busy" (28 %). That was followed by "not interested" (16 %), "illness/disability (11%), "out of town" (10 percent), "forgot to vote" (8 %), "disliked candidates/issues" (8 %), "registration problems" (2%), and a few others.

    Now I have cited "voter apathy" based on my first hand experiences in knocking on doors of young people in 2014 who just seemed to me disinterested when I tried to pin that demographic down on their "hot button" issues. That changed in 2016 in a big way due to Bernie. But unfortunately much of that passion was misdirected as hate against Hillary.

    No Schmidt; just go with a big "bow"around the "real" issues; your "poll" indeed did not ask about the issues as I stated. You know damn well what the cause is here; yes the truth hurts; "head in the sand, as usual
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    I spoke with two political reporters with Roll Call late last week on my podcast. They talk specifically about this and a range of other subjects like what races are hotly contested right now, what issues will get voters out to the poll, and what their prediction is on Dems making headway in the midterms. Feel free to check it out:

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote:

    Dutch -- I would disagree with you again. People do not vote for a variety of reasons, but believing that their vote does not count is not one of them. From a Washington Post article of why the voter turn-out in the 2014 midterm election was so poor, the main reason cited in a census poll was "too busy" (28 %). That was followed by "not interested" (16 %), "illness/disability (11%), "out of town" (10 percent), "forgot to vote" (8 %), "disliked candidates/issues" (8 %), "registration problems" (2%), and a few others.

    Now I have cited "voter apathy" based on my first hand experiences in knocking on doors of young people in 2014 who just seemed to me disinterested when I tried to pin that demographic down on their "hot button" issues. That changed in 2016 in a big way due to Bernie. But unfortunately much of that passion was misdirected as hate against Hillary.

    No Schmidt; just go with a big "bow"around the "real" issues; your "poll" indeed did not ask about the issues as I stated. You know damn well what the cause is here; yes the truth hurts; "head in the sand, as usual

    The poll was open ended. No multiple choice questions. In fact from most of the people I met in knocking on doors, most are ignorant of the electoral college basis for voting so it doesn't enter their minds. The last thing I would expect from a potential non-voter is that I don't vote because my vote doesn't count with the electoral college system. It was never given to me as a reason for not voting.

    The ball is back in your court. You have an opinion. I cited facts plus my own experiences.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    "Tom Perez was a better choice because he had more centrist appeal,"

    That is what lost and will lose. Centrist is not needed when it has been lopsided against the lower classes . Senator Graham took care of the upper class. Now the lower class needs a leader to right Graham's wrongs.

    Need I remind you for the umpteenth time that the centrist candidate won by three million votes in 2016? That same centrist candidate beat your hero by nearly four million votes in the Democratic primary.

    The Democratic Party chose a centrist by millions of votes. The people chose a centrist by millions of votes. The system and Bernie or Busters in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania chose to give a narcissistic sociopath the keys to our nuclear codes.