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Gun control and school shootings.

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    Another shooting and no direct movement to keep guns out of schools. Monitored weapons detector entrances.

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    So, this morning, on my other local news, (Milwaukee) they reported that there's a bill on governor Walker's desk for signature of $100M funding for school safety, nothing about gun control at all. I'm afraid that's what most states are going to do, they're going to throw money at the problems, which isn't too surprising, that's what government usually does when trying to fix a problem.
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    The counties in NW Florida are expanding presence of resource officers including off duty sheriff and police officers.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: The counties in NW Florida are expanding presence of resource officers including off duty sheriff and police officers.

    I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. There was an armed officer at the most recent school massacre and he did nothing. I can tell you that a semi auto pistol isn't a match against an AR-15, especially if it's equipped with a bump stock, plus, semi auto pistols are not that accurate, at least not as accurate as a rifle. An officer would need to confront a rifle shooter almost face to face to get a good accurate shot at the offender, which probably isn't likely to happen.

    I think a portion of that school safety bill in my state had something in it about arming teachers and sending teachers to training sessions, bad idea, IMHO.

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    Dockadams Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: The counties in NW Florida are expanding presence of resource officers including off duty sheriff and police officers.

    I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. There was an armed officer at the most recent school massacre and he did nothing. I can tell you that a semi auto pistol isn't a match against an AR-15, especially if it's equipped with a bump stock, plus, semi auto pistols are not that accurate, at least not as accurate as a rifle. An officer would need to confront a rifle shooter almost face to face to get a good accurate shot at the offender, which probably isn't likely to happen.

    I think a portion of that school safety bill in my state had something in it about arming teachers and sending teachers to training sessions, bad idea, IMHO.

    It's a bad stop gap feel good poorly thought out measure . Who is more important to a mother or father their child or the president? I work cloose to NAS Pensacola where the President lands . It is really impressive to see what happens around the time he comes. A couple of days before a fleet of black SUVs land and they start going over the routes. Then on the arrival that fleet plus Sherrif and Police cars proceed his caravan clearing streets and blocking side street entrances. People live with it. It would be easy to harden and protect schools without causing mental issues. But in the meantime to stop school shootings school shootings continue. Gun control and stopping school shootings do not have a common solution.
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    "I think a portion of that school safety bill in my state had something in it about arming teachers and sending teachers to training sessions, bad idea, IMHO."

    Good idea as long as they are not required to take any action. I see nothing wrong with a teacher in a closed room during active shooter alert having a firearm issued through training.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    "I think a portion of that school safety bill in my state had something in it about arming teachers and sending teachers to training sessions, bad idea, IMHO."

    Good idea as long as they are not required to take any action. I see nothing wrong with a teacher in a closed room during active shooter alert having a firearm issued through training.

    Maybe you'd like it where schools had two types of alarm systems? One sound for a fire, another sound for an active shooter.

    No, teachers need to be teaching. Teachers do not need to fill the role of defender with a firearm. We do not need Barney Fife types walking around with pistols strapped on their hips.

    How about some gun control?

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    The Washington Post reminded us today that the 20th anniversary of the shooting at Columbine is on April 20 - but the school is apparently still receiving threats.

    After the shooting, the police were slow to enter the school, and they were heavily criticized for not intervening during the shooting. The incident resulted in the introduction of the Immediate Action Rapid Deployment tactic, which is used in situations where an active shooter is trying to kill people rather than take hostages.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre

    After Parkland, lock down drills were modified due to the fact that the shooter at THAT school pulled fire alarms to create panic before the shooting. Now, lock down directions are to IGNORE any fire drill alarm if it goes off during a lock down.

    After the shooting at Columbine, Wayne LaPierre went on record stating that he believed in universal back ground checks for ALL gun purchases.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-oqfPojhec

    Since Columbine, there have been 50 murders, or attempted murders, in schools. In 81% of those shootings, a third party had information that the attacker was thinking about or planning the attack.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/school-shootings-columbine-numbers/story?id=36833245

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    I watched the documentary on Columbine. In hindsight which is 2020 there were multiple warning signs. Somebody made the statement on some program that these inhumanity cruel people are not born that way. Wrong . I have seen kids mean as soon as they made expressive actions. Watched them grow leading lives that made hell for their families. Alerting on any negative sign would be impossible.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: "The answer, at least to me, is really quite simple - ban the vast majority of guns and institute a gun buyback program for the newly banned guns. "

    Trouble is the above would take years and many billions of dollars to accomplish.

    We spend roughly $600 billion a year on "defense" spending. What's a few extra billion to buy back a bunch of guns? Aren't you someone who ascribes to the theory that everything in the world can be free?

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Your virtual prisons is an exaggeration. Almost all the places you described have restricted and monitored entrances . It would be almost imperceptible to convert them to weapons monitoring .

    Restricted and monitored entrances will not prevent someone with a weapon of war from shooting as many people as he (let's face it, it's always a he) can. A metal detector and one or two paltry safety officers armed with handguns are not going to stop a sociopath with an AR-15.

    We can spend billions of dollars a year arming our schools to the teeth and turning buildings that are meant to teach children into virtual prisons or we can spend far less criminalizing the use and sale of weapons sociopaths use to shoot kids in our schools.

    Your newfound hero Joe Biden was right - shotguns are more than enough to defend yourself.

    jaredsxtn said: "Aren't you someone who ascribes to the theory that everything in the world can be free?"

    100% true if the tax system would free more money for jobs producing investments and increase the velocity of money. Prosperity is a choice.

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    While I was in a school library today, I happened to chance across a copy of a book titled, "Parkland Speaks", a short book that is a compilation of the thoughts of some of the survivors of the Parkland shooting of February 14, 2018, and edited by one of the school teachers. Since it's a short book, I skimmed through it in less than 30 minutes. If you get a chance, I would recommend reading it.

    A week after the shooting, I published an an article titled, "how to end school shootings", which you can read at the link below.

    https://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2018/02/how-to-end-school-shootings.html

    Now that it appears likely that Joe Biden is going to be the Democratic nominee, gun control is likely going to creep into the conversation again, primarily due to the fact that allegedly plans to tap Beto O'Rourke as his gun control expert, a story that GOPUSA was quick to jump on.

    https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/FMfcgxwHMGFhRBQwQrgTNshwxbhRfWXt

    A short time after the shooting, the Florida legislature passed a "red flag" gun law, which would have prevented the shooter from owning the weapons that he brought to school that day. If you read the history of the shooting, you'll notice that she shooter gave PLENTY of warning signs.

    In 2016 and 2017, the sheriff's office received a number of tips about Nikolas Cruz's threats to carry out a school shooting. The FBI learned that a YouTube user with the username "nikolas cruz" posted a message in September 2017 about becoming a school shooter, but the agency could not identify the user. In January 2018, someone contacted the FBI tip line with a direct complaint that Cruz had made a death threat, but the complaint was not forwarded to the local FBI office.

    Cruz had behavioral issues since middle school, but a Washington Post writer said the student was "entrenched in the process for getting students help rather than referring them to law enforcement." He was transferred between schools six times in three years in an effort to deal with these problems. In 2014, he was transferred to a school for children with emotional or learning disabilities. There were reports that he made threats against other students

    Psychiatrists recommended an involuntary admission of Cruz to a residential treatment facility, starting in 2013.

    Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel described Cruz's online profiles and accounts as "very, very disturbing". They contained pictures and posts of him with a variety of weapons, including long knives, a shotgun, a pistol, and a BB gun. Police said that he held "extremist" views; social media accounts that were thought to be linked to him contained anti-black and anti-Muslim slurs. YouTube comments linked to him include "I wanna die Fighting [sic] killing shit ton [sic] of people", threats against police officers and "antifa," and intent to mimic the University of Texas tower shooting.] In February 2017, Cruz legally purchased an AR-15 style semi-automatic rifle from a Coral Springs gun store. At the time of the shooting, in Florida, people 18 or older were allowed to buy rifles from federally licensed dealers. The age requirement has since been raised to 21. Cruz passed a background check. A year later, he used this weapon to commit the mass shooting at his former school

    This case also illustrates a few facts:

    1) school counselors (of which there are too few) may have been able to forward "at risk" students to authorities

    2) the assault weapons ban should be re-instated

    3) students themselves can actually be the best defense, since they are more likely so see disturbing online posts from other students (I've already witnessed a few school lock downs because a student noticed an online threat from another student

    4) EVERY state should have a red flag law, which would have prevented Cruz from buying his weapons and ammunition

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoneman_Douglas_High_School_shooting