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Gun control and school shootings.

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I think the emphasis on gun control is clouding the issue of stopping school shootings. Keeping guns out of schools is of ultimate priority. That is intervention at the entrance to school properties . I live across the street from a huge school public school complex . There is no part that isn't controlled by chain link fences . All the kids arrive and leave at three entrances . It would be very easy to monitor these entrances with metal detectors.
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    In response to the shooting in Parkland, students across the country have made specific plans to force some meaningful gun legislation.

    1) March 1 - a one day boycott of Apple, Amazon, and FedEx - the first two broadcast NRA TV, and FedEx gives discounts to NRA members

    2) March 14 - a 17 minute walkout will start at 10 a.m. local time in schools across the country - an estimated 200,000 students are expected to participate

    3) March 24 - a march in Washington, D.C. will start at 10 a.m. - 500,000 people plan to attend

    4) April 20 - a national walkout on this date (the 19th anniversary of the Columbine shooting) will start at 10 a.m.

    To put these marches into perspective, remember that 100,000 marched on the Pentagon on 10/21/67 to protest the Vietnam war .. the war dragged pm for nearly 8 more years, but the student demonstrations will achieve their goal a lot sooner than that

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Florida Senate Approves Gun Control Package

    ://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/05/591036676/florida-senate-approves-gun-control-package-oks-arming-some-school-personnel

    Allowing some personnel in some situations to be armed. Imposes 3 day waiting period on all gun purchases. Prohibits sale or possession of bump stocks. 400 million dollars for various plans and programs from mental health to metal detectors.

    Goes next to house which is more NRA connected.

    bump stocks : There are a multitude of devices that use the recoil of the gun to establish a resonance to actuate the trigger with the finger being held stationary. I will try to read the actual wording to see if the law bans the concept or the actual bump stock.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: I think the emphasis on gun control is clouding the issue of stopping school shootings. Keeping guns out of schools is of ultimate priority. That is intervention at the entrance to school properties . I live across the street from a huge school public school complex . There is no part that isn't controlled by chain link fences . All the kids arrive and leave at three entrances . It would be very easy to monitor these entrances with metal detectors.

    I fully agree that keeping guns out of schools is the top priority, but I just have a hard time believing that the answer is turning every school into a virtual prison. And I also have a hard time believing that metal detectors and one armed guard will prevent a madman with an assault rifle from entering school premises and slaughtering as many children as possible.

    The answer, at least to me, is really quite simple - ban the vast majority of guns and institute a gun buyback program for the newly banned guns. You can still own a rifle to hunt deer and to protect your private property, but that's it. The 2nd Amendment doesn't grant anyone the right to own any and every weapon they want.

    I know it will never ever become a reality, but that's the only thing that will actually stop mass shootings. I'd much rather have that than turn every school, movie theater, hospital, concert venue, and every other public space into a virtual prison in a feigned attempt to give people a false sense of security.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "The answer, at least to me, is really quite simple - ban the vast majority of guns and institute a gun buyback program for the newly banned guns. "

    Trouble is the above would take years and many billions of dollars to accomplish. Your virtual prisons is an exaggeration. Almost all the places you described have restricted and monitored entrances . It would be almost imperceptible to convert them to weapons monitoring .

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: "The answer, at least to me, is really quite simple - ban the vast majority of guns and institute a gun buyback program for the newly banned guns. "

    Trouble is the above would take years and many billions of dollars to accomplish.

    We spend roughly $600 billion a year on "defense" spending. What's a few extra billion to buy back a bunch of guns? Aren't you someone who ascribes to the theory that everything in the world can be free?

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Your virtual prisons is an exaggeration. Almost all the places you described have restricted and monitored entrances . It would be almost imperceptible to convert them to weapons monitoring .

    Restricted and monitored entrances will not prevent someone with a weapon of war from shooting as many people as he (let's face it, it's always a he) can. A metal detector and one or two paltry safety officers armed with handguns are not going to stop a sociopath with an AR-15.

    We can spend billions of dollars a year arming our schools to the teeth and turning buildings that are meant to teach children into virtual prisons or we can spend far less criminalizing the use and sale of weapons sociopaths use to shoot kids in our schools.

    Your newfound hero Joe Biden was right - shotguns are more than enough to defend yourself.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    300,000,000 x $500 is $150,000,000,000 150 billion dollar buy back. Plus at least another $100 per gun handling to receive the gun, ship to destruction sight and destroy the gun for another 30 billion. Another $1 for pickup and delivery to landfill or smelter for $300,000,000. Total gun buyback and destroy would be at least 180.3 Billion dollars. Take years to organize and execute and that would still leave 100 million guns in public hands.

    Just one single model the AR15 is estimated to be between 4 to 15 million guns.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    And? I thought you ascribed to the theory that money is limitless. If we have enough money to give everyone Free! Healthcare and Free! College then we obviously have enough money to buy back every gun we criminalize, right???
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    If I had a school age child or children in this day and time, I would want my child to attend a school and not a fortress.

    Gun control is the answer. Raise age of gun ownership to 21 years of age or higher. A personal interview of anyone who wishes to own a firearm by a government official. Limitations on magazine sizes. Ban on military type weapons, AR15's, AK47's, etc..

    Amend/modify the second amendment.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote: And? I thought you ascribed to the theory that money is limitless. If we have enough money to give everyone Free! Healthcare and Free! College then we obviously have enough money to buy back every gun we criminalize, right???

    Pointless. I never expressed any objection here or anywhere about spending money for anything and especially no where in this thread. You proposed the buy back and the cost would be astronomical. The cost would be the biggest objection used by opponents to prevent a buyback. Based on the cost alone it would probably be defeated . Coupling the cost with the amount of time it would take to execute and there would not be much support left.

    Free! Healthcare and Free! College. The United Mine Workers got total no exclusion health care for the miner and the miners entire family. California had virtually free college until Reagan. Opposition to "free" stuff has support from the right wing. Reagan who once said taxes should hurt started the end of free college in CA. States right now are exploring free college. Opposition to free college and healthcare is counter productive. The most significant valuable resource a country has is its people. It makes sense to maintain the most valuable resource.

    "the theory that money is limitless" Strawman exaggeration. I said prosperity could provide for all needs. The opposition comes from people that can't stand the thought of making life easier for the working class.

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    Dockadams Wrote:

    If I had a school age child or children in this day and time, I would want my child to attend a school and not a fortress.

    Gun control is the answer. Raise age of gun ownership to 21 years of age or higher. A personal interview of anyone who wishes to own a firearm by a government official. Limitations on magazine sizes. Ban on military type weapons, AR15's, AK47's, etc..

    Amend/modify the second amendment.

    Great plan but what would you propose to stop school shootings until your plan takes effect ?

    Florida passed the first part of gun legislation touching on some of your points. FL being the center of Parkland Anti Gun activity and the proposed laws are as close to no action as possible .

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    Presently, there isn't much anyone can do now or even after new gun laws take effect, the only thing to do is wait for the next mass murder or the next slaughter, because it's too late now. New laws should have been passed after the Columbine massacre in 1999.

    Who knows where the next massacre will happen?

    Florida? The stand your ground state where the midget Marion Hammer hails from? Can't expect much from Florida lawmakers, they're bought and paid for by the NRA.

    Another law I'd seek to pass is forbid any lawmakers or anyone connected with government from accepting NRA contributions. Government workers are supposed to represent ALL citizens of the United States, that means everyone, even the people who dislike or have no use for guns. The NRA does not do that. The NRA does not represent MY interests, they should get their walking papers.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote:

    If I had a school age child or children in this day and time, I would want my child to attend a school and not a fortress.

    Gun control is the answer. Raise age of gun ownership to 21 years of age or higher. A personal interview of anyone who wishes to own a firearm by a government official. Limitations on magazine sizes. Ban on military type weapons, AR15's, AK47's, etc..

    Amend/modify the second amendment.

    Great plan but what would you propose to stop school shootings until your plan takes effect ?

    Florida passed the first part of gun legislation touching on some of your points. FL being the center of Parkland Anti Gun activity and the proposed laws are as close to no action as possible .

    Dock, I fully agree; but yeah it is not going to happen, let alone to modify the "second amendment" If you ever read that thing (as the Australian comic described) then that document only applies to the "militia" rooming the country in 1800, let alone it applies only to the guns they had in those times. Which ever idiot(s) made it applicable to these times should be shot.!!
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote:

    If I had a school age child or children in this day and time, I would want my child to attend a school and not a fortress.

    Gun control is the answer. Raise age of gun ownership to 21 years of age or higher. A personal interview of anyone who wishes to own a firearm by a government official. Limitations on magazine sizes. Ban on military type weapons, AR15's, AK47's, etc..

    Amend/modify the second amendment.

    Great plan but what would you propose to stop school shootings until your plan takes effect ?

    Florida passed the first part of gun legislation touching on some of your points. FL being the center of Parkland Anti Gun activity and the proposed laws are as close to no action as possible .

    Dock, I fully agree; but yeah it is not going to happen, let alone to modify the "second amendment" If you ever read that thing (as the Australian comic described) then that document only applies to the "militia" rooming the country in 1800, let alone it applies only to the guns they had in those times. Which ever idiot(s) made it applicable to these times should be shot.!!

    At least that portion of our constitution is obsolete, take for instance what I wrote in another thread about my local Walmart prowler being an asswipe because he openly carries a semi auto pistol on his hip in the store, this practice went out in the late 1800's when men carried side arms everywhere, hell, this isn't 1898 anymore, this is 2018 and people are acting like everyone they might meet is looking for a gunfight. I'll post this again, I wrote earlier in my membership here that I confronted another jerk at my local coin op laundry, whose concealed weapon was openly carried because his t shirt was slipped above his semi auto pistol exposing the firearm, when he realized he was openly carrying, he quickly pulled his t shirt down over the pistol, I asked why he carries a firearm? He replied because he can and his second amendment says he can, but not really, his state permit says he can conceal and carry, I should have asked him why he was violating the law for the permit he had been issued. I have the opinion that he was a very ignorant person. But, there are many like him everywhere.

    Yesterday, Illinois lawmakers missed a chance to pass the Paul Bauer act, but the Illinois legislature failed. Paul Bauer is the Chicago police officer who was gunned down by a repeat felon. The Illinois house did pass some other gun laws, now it's up to Rauner to sign them into law. Some of the laws passed were bump stock prohibition, and a law that outlaws civilian use of body armor.

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    Dockadams Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote:

    If I had a school age child or children in this day and time, I would want my child to attend a school and not a fortress.

    Gun control is the answer. Raise age of gun ownership to 21 years of age or higher. A personal interview of anyone who wishes to own a firearm by a government official. Limitations on magazine sizes. Ban on military type weapons, AR15's, AK47's, etc..

    Amend/modify the second amendment.

    Great plan but what would you propose to stop school shootings until your plan takes effect ?

    Florida passed the first part of gun legislation touching on some of your points. FL being the center of Parkland Anti Gun activity and the proposed laws are as close to no action as possible .

    Dock, I fully agree; but yeah it is not going to happen, let alone to modify the "second amendment" If you ever read that thing (as the Australian comic described) then that document only applies to the "militia" rooming the country in 1800, let alone it applies only to the guns they had in those times. Which ever idiot(s) made it applicable to these times should be shot.!!

    At least that portion of our constitution is obsolete, take for instance what I wrote in another thread about my local Walmart prowler being an asswipe because he openly carries a semi auto pistol on his hip in the store, this practice went out in the late 1800's when men carried side arms everywhere, hell, this isn't 1898 anymore, this is 2018 and people are acting like everyone they might meet is looking for a gunfight. I'll post this again, I wrote earlier in my membership here that I confronted another jerk at my local coin op laundry, whose concealed weapon was openly carried because his t shirt was slipped above his semi auto pistol exposing the firearm, when he realized he was openly carrying, he quickly pulled his t shirt down over the pistol, I asked why he carries a firearm? He replied because he can and his second amendment says he can, but not really, his state permit says he can conceal and carry, I should have asked him why he was violating the law for the permit he had been issued. I have the opinion that he was a very ignorant person. But, there are many like him everywhere.

    Yesterday, Illinois lawmakers missed a chance to pass the Paul Bauer act, but the Illinois legislature failed. Paul Bauer is the Chicago police officer who was gunned down by a repeat felon. The Illinois house did pass some other gun laws, now it's up to Rauner to sign them into law. Some of the laws passed were bump stock prohibition, and a law that outlaws civilian use of body armor.

    Dock; just read that "amendment" it never stated that "civilians" can carry guns (only "militia"), let alone what type of guns. All the lawyers and politicians who interpret that different should be fined or jailed for "lying"