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If Trump was Nixon?


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    If Trump was Nixon what would he have done? I think this is an important exercise to see what is in store for the country. I don't know enough about government to say anything other than Trump wouldn't have resigned. His world ends with him so he would have caused a mess.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    If Trump was Nixon what would he have done? I think this is an important exercise to see what is in store for the country. I don't know enough about government to say anything other than Trump wouldn't have resigned. His world ends with him so he would have caused a mess.

    Chet, no Trump is not Nixon; his "character" is quite different. He wants to "win" at ALL cost. He will use every dirty "street" trick he can find. He does not care; like he said "I can shoot someone in Time Square and they still will vote for me"

    Due to the fact as with the "gun" issue, is that our other "leaders" are a bunch of "sissy's"; no one dares to stand up to the guy. Until now he has broken all the rules and laws, like not providing tax returns, getting his whole family into high positions, did not dispose of his own business, breaks all the security rules, invites Russians and spill secrets to them, asks "loyalty" to persons who are supposed to work independent, like the FBI, Judicial etc. and so on and on.

    And no one blinks.

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    He will not respond other than pardoning himself and his gang. He has been operating in the too big and rich to listen style for quite some time. I can see him simply pardoning everybody .
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: He will not respond other than pardoning himself and his gang. He has been operating in the too big and rich to listen style for quite some time. I can see him simply pardoning everybody .
    Yes Chet, that may be the case; people may be upset when "pardons" happens (except his "base") and things will continue on as usual, as with "school" shootings. As Jared says only "voting" may get the idiots out; but we have to wait until 2020 when such hopefully can happen. (but the "electoral college" may throw a wrench in it) However in the meantime the "damage" to our Democracy continues. So there may be more surprises to come in the meantime.
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: He will not respond other than pardoning himself and his gang. He has been operating in the too big and rich to listen style for quite some time. I can see him simply pardoning everybody .
    Yes Chet, that may be the case; people may be upset when "pardons" happens (except his "base") and things will continue on as usual, as with "school" shootings. As Jared says only "voting" may get the idiots out; but we have to wait until 2020 when such hopefully can happen. (but the "electoral college" may throw a wrench in it) However in the meantime the "damage" to our Democracy continues. So there may be more surprises to come in the meantime.

    Hillary had bad information.

    newyorker.com/contributors/john-cassidy...

    Trump apparently capitalized on information while Hillary thought those states were solidly hers. He went to Michigan and Wisconsin the week before the election.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    If Trump was Nixon what would he have done? I think this is an important exercise to see what is in store for the country. I don't know enough about government to say anything other than Trump wouldn't have resigned. His world ends with him so he would have caused a mess.

    I think under the same circumstances, trump would have destroyed the tapes. Destroying the tapes would have forced an impeachment. Trump would never ever admit he did anything wrong, even if he was impeached or resigned. He would declare it a conspiracy.

    From now until trump dies, he will never admit he has made a mistake, except maybe he trusted the wrong people who turned on him by telling the truth. Even if there are smoking guns (ie video\audio), he will say it was faked using a identical double (ie Plastic surgery) and special effects. And there will be many followers who go to their graves believing every single word he has ever said... As did the horse "Boxer" in George Orwell's Animal Farm.

    trumpism: "Loyalty before truth. The truth only has value if helps you, otherwise the trueth is worthless"

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    The Daily Kos just published an article that was originally published in the New Yorker in July of 2018. The author makes a good case why Trump is actually much worse than Nixon.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7/29/1784389/-Stunning-Article-From-the-New-Yorker?detail=emaildkre

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    Nixon was forced to resign because he kept good records. The most damaging of those were what became known as "the White House tapes" , which included one called "the smoking gun".

    So, mindful of that, Trump is trying to destroy as many records as he can before he leaves office.

    The public will not see Donald Trump’s White House records for years, but there is growing concern the collection will never be complete – leaving a hole in the history of one of America’s most tumultuous presidencies.

    Trump has been cavalier about the law requiring that records be preserved. He has a habit of ripping up documents before tossing them out, forcing White House workers to spend hours taping them back together.

    White House staff quickly learned about Trump’s disregard for documents as they witnessed him tearing them up and discarding them. “My director came up to me and said, ‘You have to tape these together,’” said Solomon Lartey, a former White House records analyst.

    The first document he taped back together was a letter from Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader in the Senate, about a government shutdown. “They told [Trump] to stop doing it. He didn’t want to stop.”

    Lartey said the White House chief of staff’s office told the president that the documents were considered presidential records and needed to be preserved by law. About 10 records staff ended up on Scotch tape duty, starting with Trump’s first days in the White House through at least mid-2018.

    The president also confiscated an interpreter’s notes after speaking with Vladimir Putin – a conversation where topics were suspected to have included Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election. Trump scolded his White House counsel for taking notes at a meeting during the Russia investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller. Top executive branch officials had to be reminded not to conduct official business on private email or text messaging systems, and to preserve it if they did.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/17/historians-having-to-tape-together-records-that-

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    In the Trump White House “not only has record-keeping not been a priority, but we have multiple examples of it seeking to conceal or destroy that record”, said Richard Immerman, from the Society for Historians of American Foreign Relations.

    And now Trump’s baseless claim of widespread voter fraud – which postponed for weeks an acknowledgement of Joe Biden’s presidential victory – has delayed the transfer of documents to the National Archives and Records Administration, further heightening concern about the integrity of the records.

    Presidential records were considered a president’s personal property until 1978, when Congress passed the Presidential Records Act over worry that Richard Nixon would destroy Watergate-related White House tape recordings that led to his resignation.

    After that, presidential records were considered property of the American people – if they are preserved. Lawmakers have introduced legislation to require audits of White House record-keeping and compliance with the law.

    “The American public should not have to wait until a president has left office to learn of problems with that president’s record-keeping practices,” Weismann said.

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    All I have to do is laugh; just add this to the pile of shit on how this country is run; no rules or laws for Presidents are applicable. Just do what you like. As well appoint Qanon lovers into the government; that will work. Unbelievable what an stupid country.

    Looking at all you wrote about the "wrongs" in this country, is there still hope for the future if nothing is done about the "rules" and "laws" here; I've not heard Biden say that he will start fixing it, so just muddle on until the next President is elected or WWIII; if Biden even will last his first term because all kind of "idiots" are welcome in this country to run an government without proper "laws".