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Florida High School mass shooting

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  • Dutch
    2018-02-26 08:34:14 AM
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    TJ Wrote: I hope college Psychology classes are discussing this. An explanation of the why would be interesting. Perhaps it's being looked at. Certainly society is asking the questions.
    Yes T.J. it is a "society" problem. I guess if you look at how kids in Europe are raised versus here; then there is a huge difference. Most women stay home there and take care of the kids as well have long "leaves" in case they do work. Here mostly both parents work and the "cellphone" or TV , other kids etc. educates these kids ; not the parents. Often kids here are seen the same as having a "cat" or "dog", just feed them and give them "toys" then they should be happy. Ideal situation for to become Trump voters in the future.
  • Dutch
    2018-02-26 08:37:43 AM
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    foto van American News X.

  • Dockadams
    2018-02-26 01:38:42 PM
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    crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/20...

    A crime research center report, self named and described as such, which promotes the idea that having a gun can deter a crime, or a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun, which is in itself is a fallacy. Again, PEW research stopped keeping stats about this subject years ago because congress cut funding for it.

    The president of the website mentioned in the first line IS a FOX news, I called faux news columnist, he also claims to be a researcher of political science, he is a far right leaning NRA proponent:

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott

    "He has written for both academic and popular publications. He has authored books such as More Guns, Less Crime, The Bias Against Guns, and Freedomnomics. He is best known as an advocate[1][2][3] in the gun rights debate, particularly his arguments against restrictions on owning and carrying guns. Newsweek referred to Lott as "The Gun Crowd's Guru."[4]

    he is a columnist for FoxNews.com

    Democrats, as well as Independents, who advocate gun control should be aware and be wary of right leaning publications by anyone who promotes more guns are the answer to America's gun problems. They are disingenuous at best.

  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-02-26 02:00:54 PM
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    Keeping guns out of schools is the answer to stopping shootings in school . It is beyond comprehension why right now limited access with metal / weapons detectors controlled by armed attendants is not being implemented in every school. It would be the safest cheapest most effective way to keep guns out of schools.
  • Dockadams
    2018-02-26 05:07:09 PM
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    It seems that everyone is looking for the cheapest way out of this situation.

    Florida lawmakers are calling for the county sheriff's head on a platter for not taking action before and after the massacre.

    Some are even labeling sheriff's deputies as cowards for not going into the school building.

    To me, it's a bit strange that police were outside while the massacre went on and not one lifted a hand to stop it.

    I mean, aren't police officers supposed to respond to disturbances like these? I know it's a dangerous occupation being a cop, but most people who wanted to be a cop knew what they might be getting into.

    I too do not think arming teachers is the answer, and screening or scanning every person entering a building would be monumental. At this point, I don't think they should be considering what it's going to cost to make sure kids and teachers are safe, making them safe should be first and foremost.

    Another thing that's bothersome to me is why has it taken all of these school shootings to finally get lawmakers talking about gun regulation. People should have been talking and acting on this long ago, and not just standing idly by and watching it happen over and over again.

  • wwjd
    2018-02-27 06:51:00 AM
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    weeklystandard.com/fact-check-did-flori...

    Cruz was not a White Supremacist.

    I hope that the fact that he was not killed will allow professionals better understand the factors that caused him to do it. IMHO, mass school shootings will not be stopped until we understand what is causing White Teenage Boys to feel compelled to kill massive amount of students at their school.

  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-02-27 08:26:31 AM
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    "Another thing that's bothersome to me is why has it taken all of these school shootings to finally get lawmakers talking about gun regulation. People should have been talking and acting on this long ago, and not just standing idly by and watching it happen over and over again."

    But so far absolutely nothing about keeping guns out of schools or preventing the next shooting. Every person is checked for guns going into the New Orleans Superdome. Limited access weapon detector attendant monitored school entries.

    PS Metal detectors use magnetic fields and do not emit harmful radiation.

  • Dutch
    2018-02-27 08:47:33 AM
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    "Another thing that's bothersome to me is why has it taken all of these school shootings to finally get lawmakers talking about gun regulation. People should have been talking and acting on this long ago, and not just standing idly by and watching it happen over and over again."

    But so far absolutely nothing about keeping guns out of schools or preventing the next shooting. Every person is checked for guns going into the New Orleans Superdome. Limited access weapon detector attendant monitored school entries.

    Chet, yes you are correct. However our leaders, rather talk and talk and talk until in the end nothing substantial will happen. Only lots of B.S. to cover their asses. The money received from the NRA is much more important for them.

    Sure the schools can solve this on their own, by doing as you suggested as well having controlled entrances with metal detectors. Probably even cost less than arming teachers and give them training (as well the "bonus" Trump wants to give)

  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-02-27 09:29:09 AM
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    "Another thing that's bothersome to me is why has it taken all of these school shootings to finally get lawmakers talking about gun regulation. People should have been talking and acting on this long ago, and not just standing idly by and watching it happen over and over again."

    But so far absolutely nothing about keeping guns out of schools or preventing the next shooting. Every person is checked for guns going into the New Orleans Superdome. Limited access weapon detector attendant monitored school entries.

    Chet, yes you are correct. However our leaders, rather talk and talk and talk until in the end nothing substantial will happen. Only lots of B.S. to cover their asses. The money received from the NRA is much more important for them.

    Sure the schools can solve this on their own, by doing as you suggested as well having controlled entrances with metal detectors. Probably even cost less than arming teachers and give them training (as well the "bonus" Trump wants to give)

    Dutch, I have posted on here A while back that people that carry guns for protection have very little chance in responding successfully to a life threatening offensive actions. Teachers would be in that same category . Defensive actions could be successful like teachers and students in a room and the teacher guarding the door. But in almost all cases it would be hard for a normal average person to actually shoot a person. Interception is the answer. Limited access metal detector entrances. The underlying opposition is it takes away from the gun control movement. There is no logical argument against limited access metal detector equipped school entrances.
  • Dutch
    2018-02-27 12:23:06 PM
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    "Another thing that's bothersome to me is why has it taken all of these school shootings to finally get lawmakers talking about gun regulation. People should have been talking and acting on this long ago, and not just standing idly by and watching it happen over and over again."

    But so far absolutely nothing about keeping guns out of schools or preventing the next shooting. Every person is checked for guns going into the New Orleans Superdome. Limited access weapon detector attendant monitored school entries.

    Chet, yes you are correct. However our leaders, rather talk and talk and talk until in the end nothing substantial will happen. Only lots of B.S. to cover their asses. The money received from the NRA is much more important for them.

    Sure the schools can solve this on their own, by doing as you suggested as well having controlled entrances with metal detectors. Probably even cost less than arming teachers and give them training (as well the "bonus" Trump wants to give)

    Dutch, I have posted on here A while back that people that carry guns for protection have very little chance in responding successfully to a life threatening offensive actions. Teachers would be in that same category . Defensive actions could be successful like teachers and students in a room and the teacher guarding the door. But in almost all cases it would be hard for a normal average person to actually shoot a person. Interception is the answer. Limited access metal detector entrances. The underlying opposition is it takes away from the gun control movement. There is no logical argument against limited access metal detector equipped school entrances.
    Chet, I completely agree.
  • wwjd
    2018-02-27 01:16:46 PM
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    While we can continue to discuss this issue, it is almost officially dead at the national level. This morning Paul Ryan stated that he's standing behind the NRA.

    Various states will make changes, and some have already agreed to share share background data.

  • Schmidt
    2018-02-28 08:05:39 AM
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    Okay, the issue is dead. Time to make some awards for bravery before closing it out. This compliments of Ellis Rosen, cartoonist for the New Yorker:

  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-02-28 10:16:04 AM
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    I heard him say he would probably run in even if he didn't have a gun. Definite proof he doesn't think about what he says. Mothers and fathers would do that and for Trump to elevate himself to that level of caring only shows Trump has no shame .

    google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ur...

  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-02-28 12:08:35 PM
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    Threats and lockdowns daily since Parkland. Today a student was shot and airlifted out. The point is daily violence and the point is being missed. Already passing laws on the opioid war as the violence grows.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-02-28 12:16:35 PM
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    Small observation. The breakdown in respect began when I first heard of discussing your diagnosis with your doctor . Probably inline with the Peace and question authority movements. Shooting innocents in school is planned and talked about with no reference to the suffering involved.
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