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  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-02-21 11:12:14 AM
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    Attendent controlled metal detector entrances to schools.
  • wwjd
    2018-02-21 12:57:43 PM
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    Protests today. While these protests have nothing directly to do with trump. It is my perception that a lot of the frustration being vented is redirected frustration about him and the republican party.

    Republicans are just grateful that mid terms aren't anytime soon. My hope is we remember this come election day along with all the other baggage that is pilling up.

  • wwjd
    2018-02-21 01:05:15 PM
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Attendent controlled metal detector entrances to schools.

    Not sure if you are serious or not. But have you seen what the outside of a school looks like shortly before school starts, or what it looks like as students are let out for the day. I suppose schools could become walled compounds.

    And if the mass shootings of schools is solved by a prison style compounds, I suppose a shooter could find other public targets where people and\or children are just as easily killed. Daycare, sporting events, movie theaters, malls, playgrounds, etc.

  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-02-21 03:14:01 PM
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    wwjd Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Attendent controlled metal detector entrances to schools.

    Not sure if you are serious or not. But have you seen what the outside of a school looks like shortly before school starts, or what it looks like as students are let out for the day. I suppose schools could become walled compounds.

    And if the mass shootings of schools is solved by a prison style compounds, I suppose a shooter could find other public targets where people and\or children are just as easily killed. Daycare, sporting events, movie theaters, malls, playgrounds, etc.

    If that is what it takes that is what it takes. Life is worth protecting and providing for. Wringing hands and enduring more shootings is not an alternative to directly solving a problem .
  • that guy in AZ
    2018-02-21 03:35:54 PM
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    The link below will provide a few (?) more ideas about how to end school shootings:

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2018/02/how-to-end-school-shootings.html

  • TJ
    2018-02-21 08:25:19 PM
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    And these children that you spit on

    As they try to change their world's

    Are immune to your consultations

    They're quite aware of what they're going through.

    David Bowie

  • wwjd
    2018-02-21 11:39:17 PM
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    I am extremely doubtful that any will change. Trump's actions will undermine\block any legislation.

    There is nothing in it for him, therefore he won't actively promote it. And the NRA will get to him quietly behind the scenes after the dust settles, and smartly do exactly what others have done: appeal to trump's ego and personal pocket book. The NRA will make it clear they will support him with 10s of millions and use their lobbying resources to help his business become more successful. Need a 1 Billion loan? the NRA could easily clear all road blocks trump might have. All trump needs to do pretend to support change, but do nothing. trump will fuck this one up because that is what he does best; nobody fucks up things better than trump.

  • Schmidt
    2018-02-21 11:42:23 PM
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    Lawrence O'Donnell speaks for me...

    MSNBC, Feb 21, 2018: Why arming teachers is a fantasy war game

    This clip from tonight makes good sense.

  • wwjd
    2018-02-21 11:48:54 PM
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    Trump is supporting putting guns into the hands of teachers. I think we can see a future headline.

    "One shooter kills 3, wounding 10. Twenty teachers kill 5. wounding 15"

  • wwjd
    2018-02-22 08:17:54 AM
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    I have put this thread on my electronic Event calendar to remind me to revisit this in 1 month, in 3 months, and 6 months.

    Q: Will mass shooting legislation be passed or will it just be old news waiting until the next mass shooting?

    My perception is that before any legislation will be passed, further mass shootings will occur, and mass shooting that result with less than 15 dead children won't move the needle.

    "There was a mass school shooting at a Kansas school today, 12 dead, 19 wounded.... Now to you Jack, give us the 5 day weather forecast. Can our viewers go out this weekend and mow their lawns?"

  • Dutch
    2018-02-22 08:42:59 AM
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    All of this shows again that this country is "corrupt" all the way; "lives" don't count; only NRA money is important for our leaders. Just count the additional "profit" for the gun makers, if all the teachers in this country should have guns.

    Again for the million's time, I'm saying that we should start at "A" and not "Z' as they always do in this country. Thus "A" is the "second amendment"; thus change that to the "present day" situation. It was written by a bunch of idiots who lived in different times and had only difficult to load single shot guns, thus had no idea about an AR 15 etc. Thus if due to "corrupt lobbying" by the NRA things stay in place, then do something about "lobbying". The same applies to "elections". Sorry this is a "gutless" country who "kneel" for the lobbyist and their "money". Other civil countries have decent gun laws; why not here? We always claim to be an example for the world, however we are the opposite instead.

  • wwjd
    2018-02-22 09:01:36 AM
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    Dutch, I agree that if I were re-write the Constitution from scratch, I'd drop the second amendment completely. In 1791, it made good sense to ensure that people could protect themselves and hunt. Now, owning a weapon should be an earn privilege reserved for those who have clearly demonstrated, through testing\licencing\etc that they are qualified to use that specific weapon. Shit, different type of motorize vehicles require a much higher degree of certification to use\drive than weapons.

    Today, the second amendment has become to mean "Every US citizen has the right to use a gun to kill people"

  • Dutch
    2018-02-22 09:05:15 AM
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    Oh yeah, I forgot the "evangelical" factor; since most of them vote for the GOP, then also most of them are likely NRA members who like to kill something, except "fetuses". Thus I recommend to make every school "holy" with a stack of "bibles in front of the door, then everyone will be "saved" . Also rename all the schools which have no "no bible" names and give them new names like: The Moses School, The Noah School, The "talking" Snake School, The "walk" on Water School, The "Heaven" School, The "Hell" School, The Judas School, etc etc. (how about an Jesus Trump University?) Ha Ha!
  • Schmidt
    2018-02-22 09:46:32 AM
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    Getting rid of the 2nd Amendment has about as much reality as North Korea putting a man on Mars. It's pointless to even discuss "solutions" that have zero chance of happening. So why don't we discuss a realistic path forward that deals with the reality...63 million people voted for Trump in 2016 and Republicans control all THREE branches of government plus the state governorships and state legislatures.

    Republicans control 239 of the 435 House of the Representatives seats. Dems control 193, Independents 1.

    Republicans control the Senate with 51 members. Democrats have 47 seats and Independents 2.

    Republicans control a record 67 state legislatures, more than twice the number (31) than the Democrats.

    Republicans control 33 of 50 state governorships.

    Conservatives control the Supreme Court, 5-4.

    And of course Republicans control the Executive branch.

    So all these wish lists of what Democrats should, could, would do to change the Constitution are just that...feel good wish lists. Nothing to do with reality.

    It takes a super majority (67 percent) of both the House and the Senate plus 75 percent of all state legislatures to pass an amendment to the Constitution or otherwise change or rewrite it in any way. It ain't going to happen.

    The Supreme Court has the ultimate say in differing interpretations of the various clauses and amendments of the Constitution. And SCOTUS is very much is a conservative court now. If Roe v Wade is brought to the court again as a challenge is some form, it too could be scuttled, especially so if Trump gets one more court pick.

    This is reality. And that reality will not change no matter how enraged we get or how many marches and protests we make or how much we want to castigate the DNC, Tony Rerez, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer or the Clintons or who ever is there to cast blame at. The only way we can incrementally change that reality is vote in 2018 and 2020.

    If Democratic voters follow the same course of the 2010 and 2014 midterm elections and go fishing on election day, then that reality will not change.

  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-02-22 09:59:13 AM
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Getting rid of the 2nd Amendment has about as much reality as North Korea putting a man on Mars. It's pointless to even discuss "solutions" that have zero chance of happening. So why don't we discuss a realistic path forward that deals with the reality...63 million people voted for Trump in 2016 and Republicans control all THREE branches of government plus the state governorships and state legislatures.

    Republicans control 239 of the 435 House of the Representatives seats. Dems control 193, Independents 1.

    Republicans control the Senate with 51 members. Democrats have 47 seats and Independents 2.

    Republicans control a record 67 state legislatures, more than twice the number (31) than the Democrats.

    Republicans control 33 of 50 state governorships.

    Conservatives control the Supreme Court, 5-4.

    And of course Republicans control the Executive branch.

    So all these wish lists of what Democrats should, could, would do to change the Constitution are just that...feel good wish lists. Nothing to do with reality.

    It takes a super majority (67 percent) of both the House and the Senate plus 75 percent of all state legislatures to pass an amendment to the Constitution or otherwise change or rewrite it in any way. It ain't going to happen.

    The Supreme Court has the ultimate say in differing interpretations of the various clauses and amendments of the Constitution. And SCOTUS is very much is a conservative court now. If Roe v Wade is brought to the court again as a challenge is some form, it too could be scuttled, especially so if Trump gets one more court pick.

    This is reality. And that reality will not change no matter how enraged we get or how many marches and protests we make or how much we want to castigate the DNC, Tony Rerez, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer or the Clintons or who ever is there to cast blame at. The only way we can incrementally change that reality is vote in 2018 and 2020.

    If Democratic voters follow the same course of the 2010 and 2014 midterm elections and go fishing on election day, then that reality will not change.

    Facing Schmidt's reality would support armed guards and limited controlled access to our schools. How can sensibilities be offended by the perception of an armed compound while students are being shot almost daily?
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