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Florida High School mass shooting

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    The Daily Mail is reporting that at least seven students were killed and up to 50 injured at the Parkland High school in Florida. The US media has much lower numbers...two dead and 20 injured.

    The shooter has been identified and captured. He is 19 years old and a Junior ROTC student (according to the Daily Mail). I won't put his name here.

    In many other threads over the years we have discussed mass shootings as they occur again and again. Those conversations have become somewhat repetitive. So maybe we should just do as Trump did. He tweeted "my prayers and condolences to the families of the victims of the terrible Florida shootings". I guess that's all he can ever offer. Nothing more.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    I forgot to mention that this is the 12th school shooting in America in 2018. That's like an average of two per week.
  • Center Left
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    The way the reporters are handling this is sickening.

    At one point a kid was running out of the school terrified. A reporter stopped him for an interview....

    Reporter: "Was it scary in there"

    Kid: "yeah"

    Reporter: "How scary?!"

    Are you kidding me? These are kids. Most of them don't know how they feel about anything, let alone something as awful as this. And you're going to run up to them and ask them for an exact scare level?

    They also showed footage of kids sitting on the curb crying.... Social media/media in general has turned people into selfish, self-righteous, horrible things. They'll do anything for a buck and the "look at me and what I am experiencing" attention.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Both the Huffington Post and the Daily Mail are now reporting at least 15 dead. MSNBC is staying with official numbers: One dead.

    PS -- Update...MSNBC says as many as a dozen dead.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: I forgot to mention that this is the 12th school shooting in America in 2018. That's like an average of two per week.
    Just like agents on airplanes. Schools and other mass congregating areas should have many multiple invisible armed marshalls specializing in perception and intervention.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Breaking News: The sheriff is reporting 17 people dead.
  • Center Left
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    Certainly a tragedy. Guns don't solve problems. President offered any assistance needed from the United States of America.

    Shallow opportunist.

  • Independent
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    Oh well, probably caused some people to be late for work. How frustrating that must of been. I wonder what is going to be in tomorrow's news.
  • Independent
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    Schools could have "Gun" drills, but that would only mean that the student shooter would know exact what is going to happen once the "Gun" alarm is triggered. In this case, he used the fire alarm drilled to get students start exiting the classrooms.

    Over on Fox News: "See, this is why we need to make it mandatory that all school staff carry guns"

    me: "wouldn't mace, a stun gun, take down training, etc be better options'

  • Liberal Democrat
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    What we hear from our politicians after every mass shooting when called upon to tighten gun safety laws: "Now is not the time."
  • Independent
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    I was glad to see the shooter was not killed. At least this time it will be possible to get some insight to him and the events that triggered it.

    The only thing we can predict is that this will happen again, and it will escalate from 17 to 25, then to 50, etc. It's just hard to say what death count is considered to be too much. Maybe it will require having the shooter stream live executions on the internet using one of those sports cams.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Someone I know professionally was a mile and a half away from the school talking to me when the news broke.

  • Independent
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    FBI likely had an exact profile of the shooter. The problem is that out of 100,000 guys (estimate) that fit the profile, only one will ever do a mass killing, the rest are just unstable people with non-lethal problems. Identifying that one out of 100,000 is currently not possible.

    Sidenote: back in the 90s there was string of bank robberies in the Seattle area. The FBI had profiled it well enough that they were able to predict within a few of days as when the next robberies were to occur and what banks would be hit. But being close is not good enough, missing it by a day is no different than missing it by 100 days.... The thieves did get caught because they messed up during their final robbery, which was also predicted in the profile.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Apparently, the guns were purchased legally, the shooter was adopted, was autistic, and his adopted mother and last remaining parent was recently deceased.
  • Center Left
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    wwjd Wrote:

    Schools could have "Gun" drills, but that would only mean that the student shooter would know exact what is going to happen once the "Gun" alarm is triggered. In this case, he used the fire alarm drilled to get students start exiting the classrooms.

    Over on Fox News: "See, this is why we need to make it mandatory that all school staff carry guns"

    me: "wouldn't mace, a stun gun, take down training, etc be better options'

    That doesn't make any sense. The entire point of having the drills are to train both teachers and students how to react to a situation such as this, just like a fire alarm. Saying "gun drills would only mean the shooter would know...." implies that no one should be trained for any situation because it could be used in another way.

    I have yet to see or hear of a gun drill that instructs people to walk out into the halls, let alone show their presence at all. It instructs teachers to account for all students, shut and lock the door, block the windows, and get everyone underneath their desks and out of sight. This is the exact opposite of a fire alarm.

    By your thought process above we shouldn't train for fire alarms either, because of this exact situation. But it just doesn't make sense. Training is necessary.

    And to, "wouldn't mace, stun gun, take down training, be better options". You say that as if you know that they are better options. They both are, and are not. It depends on the situation. You can't say without a doubt that any of those would be better defense than a firearm. A firearm has a much greater distance than any of those, so you'd think it would be the best defensively, but needs a trained eye for it to be useful.

    I went to a school that had stabbings, shootings, other violence, quite frequently. They ended up placing 1 cop for 2 days a week, and armed staff the other 3 days. The weapons violence stopped immediately. Not that this is the cure all, but doing this cured our school simply because there was armed staff. No one wanted to use weapons violence anymore because it meant they were susceptible to it themselves.

    Having staff (1 or 100, teacher or outsourced) trained and possessing a firearm on campus is absolutely better than not having any at all. And yes, you can say that cops are trained soo much more than citizens, but they aren't. Yes, they go through training. No, it's not as rigorous as some bring up when having this conversation. I have logged many, many more hours training with my firearm than any of my police officer friends have with theirs.

    Yes, it's horrible that it's come to this. But training is now a must. Whether it be with a firearm, mace, or stun gun. Something needs to stand in the way or create a thought of fear before or when this happens.