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  • Independent
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    Q1: Does the FBI do a background check on elected presidents?

    Q2: Could trump pass a security background check if he weren't president?

  • Independent
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    Like I said in many of my "threads"; nothing was done to "vet" this President; "nothing at all" I published the Dutch Zembla report on line as well on "Facebook" way ahead of his election. No reactions; Mueller was not even in the picture at that time. No a "mob" boss with his background would never pass a proper security clearance.

    I've had a security clearance for the F16 in the Netherlands; they asked and searched everything in my past.

    That is why I call this country "la la land"

  • Liberal Democrat
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    The only requirements for a President are spelled out in Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution and Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 of the Constitution shown below, respectively.

    "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States."

    "No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State".

    That's it with respect to the Constitution. Those words have been subjected to interpretation by Congress and the courts.

    The Ethics in Government Act of 1978 passed after Nixon's removal from office, created mandatory, public disclosure of financial and employment history of public officials and their immediate families and created restrictions on lobbying efforts by public officials for a set period after leaving public office. It also created the U.S. Office of Independent Counsel, tasked with investigating government officials.

    For compliance with the Ethics in Government Act, the Office of Government Ethics (OGE) is an independent agency within the executive branch of the responsible for directing executive branch policies relating to the prevention of conflicts of interest on the part of Federal executive branch officers and employees. Walter M. Shaub Jr. was the head of the agency when Trump took office, but resigned in frustration with (as per NYT article) the "way the Trump administration had flouted or directly challenged long-accepted norms in a way that threatened to undermine the United States’ ethical standards." Shaub upon his departure said, “I think we are pretty close to a laughingstock at this point.”

    Rather than following the normal line of succession, Donald Trump appointed David J. Apol, to take over the head of the office. Apol was chosen by Trump because of his known stance on seeking to "roll back or loosen ethics requirements on federal employees, including those in the White House". In other words, Trump found a friend in Apol in so far as any investigation of Trump's ethics in office is concerned.

    In compliance with the Ethics in Government Act, in May 2016, Trump filed a 104 page financial disclosure report of his financial holdings around the world, but these excluded his income tax returns which would have provided critical insight into how much Trump has benefited. Likewise his 98 page June 2017 disclosure was similar in lacking in details.

    As per CNN Money, Norman Eisen, a Brookings Institution visiting fellow and former ethics lawyer for President Barack Obama, said with respect to the 2017 disclosure, the document is missing a great deal of valuable information. "We still don't know the extent or sources of foreign emoluments, the identity of all his investors, partners and financial actors involved in his businesses, the purchasers, including possibly foreign ones of his condos and other properties."

    Slowly the truth will be revealed unless somehow Trump is successful is shutting down or limiting the investigation by Robert Mueller. That right now is seemingly our real path to the truth as Apol is proving to be yet another Trump enabler.

  • Independent
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    Thus as I've said a million times as you have proved in your thread, that the Constitution absolutely does not cover a solid "background check" (vetting) as requirement. Thus in other words you can select a NY "mob" boss and this is legal. Congratulations America.

    The "Ethics Act" is also not part of the Constitution thus just a "piece of paper" which has no "backbone" as is proven. Again as you said if such "Act" is not enforced, by selecting an "enabler", which in turn makes this "act" useless and not enforceable.

    There are no "ethics" in this government; they don't know what the "word" means. The Dutch Zembla report I mentioned very early in the election had a perfect background info related to the whole Trump family. But no one here cared to read that report. Even Kussner traded in "diamonds" from Angola on the "black market". Such a"sweet" family.

    Yes Schmidt, thanks, you proved my point that this is a "banana republic" without "proper black and white laws" Only has a zillion rich lawyers who can twist and turn this antique Constitution and "Acts" to their liking.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    wwjd Wrote: Q1: Does the FBI do a background check on elected presidents?
    Schmidt gave a far more detailed response, but the short answer is no, they do not.

    wwjd Wrote:Q2: Could trump pass a security background check if he weren't president?

    Never in a million years. Former US Attorney Preet Bharara recently addressed this on his Podcast and went through a detailed list of the things the FBI investigates in order to grant security clearance and Trump would fry their systems with the amount of alarm bells he would generate.

  • Independent
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    wwjd Wrote: Q1: Does the FBI do a background check on elected presidents?
    Schmidt gave a far more detailed response, but the short answer is no, they do not.

    wwjd Wrote:Q2: Could trump pass a security background check if he weren't president?

    Never in a million years. Former US Attorney Preet Bharara recently addressed this on his Podcast and went through a detailed list of the things the FBI investigates in order to grant security clearance and Trump would fry their systems with the amount of alarm bells he would generate.

    The FBI ethically\legally is probably forbidden from doing security background checks on presidents and other elected officials, but it wouldn't surprise me that the FBI was already keeping an eye on trump for the past couple of decades because of shady dealings. When Mueller's done, it very well may include information about prior investigations related to trump because he has been doing business with known international criminals and corrupt governments.

    I can see insiders at the FBI saying during the 2016 election season: "Man, if the public only knew what we already know on trump"

  • Liberal Democrat
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    CNBC: NRA, Russia and Trump: How 'dark money' is poisoning American democracy

    "The FBI is investigating the National Rifle Association to determine whether Russians illegally funneled money through the organization to help the Trump campaign. Beyond Russian meddling, this allegation illustrates a problem of even broader scope in our political system."

    This would be a "bombshell" news item if it is shown to be true. The NRA colluding with the Russians to elect Trump? Wow.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    CNBC: NRA, Russia and Trump: How 'dark money' is poisoning American democracy

    "The FBI is investigating the National Rifle Association to determine whether Russians illegally funneled money through the organization to help the Trump campaign. Beyond Russian meddling, this allegation illustrates a problem of even broader scope in our political system."

    This would be a "bombshell" news item if it is shown to be true. The NRA colluding with the Russians to elect Trump? Wow.

    Schmidt, this is the worlds most corrupt country and is getting worse by having a "mob" boss running the show. You can't undo this because everyone is on the "take" . Look at the list I published who received money from the NRA including Trump (about a million bucks). I can imaging, because of that huge numbers of people "play" and are part of the "game"; it may take many years to unravel any corruption, because it continues day by day. Thus I have little hope that this "decease" can be cured. The NRA is smart enough to cover their tracks, if Russian "money" was injected. Likely "whitewashed" money via Trump's holdings.
  • Independent
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    Background checks on Trump's "affair's?: (Copied from Century Link)

    Trump engaged in elaborate efforts to cover his tracks while having multiple extramarital affairs, according to Ronan Farrow’s latest blockbuster report in the New Yorker.

    The story relies heavily on the firsthand account of Karen McDougal, a former Playmate of the Year, who recounts her consensual affair with the current president before he was elected. The White House called the report “fake news,” its default response to unflattering stories. Farrow obtained an eight-page, handwritten note from McDougal’s friend detailing their relationship. McDougal confirmed that it is her handwriting in the letter.

    The media industry has been abuzz with speculation about the target of Farrow’s latest investigation ever since word broke on the Drudge Report this month that he was readying another deep dive into sexual misconduct among the powerful. Farrow, along with New York Times reporters Megan Twohey and Jodi Kantor, helped uncover Harvey Weinstein’s alleged decades of harassment and sexual abuse.

    The story may attract attention not for the revelation that President Trump was involved in an affair before he was elected to the office, but for its presentation of details of how he kept such relationships quiet and how he attempted to buy the silence of the women with whom he interacted. Central to these efforts were the close relationship that Trump maintained with American Media, Inc., the publisher of the National Enquirer. The gossip publication paid McDougal $150,000 for the exclusive rights to the story of her affair with Trump, but killed the piece. It also contracted her to write a fitness column. And the piece claims the company has approached McDougal about extending her agreement after news broke that Stormy Daniels had been paid not to discuss her own alleged affair with the president.

    “It took my rights away,” McDougal told Farrow. “At this point, I feel I can’t talk about anything without getting into trouble, because I don’t know what I’m allowed to talk about. I’m afraid to even mention his name.”

    During the affair, Trump also took pains to avoid leaving a paper trail. When he would travel with McDougal, he would have her book and pay for her own flights before reimbursing her.

    Trump was obsessed with his accomplishments, sending McDougal favorable articles about his businesses and showering her with merchandise from his golf courses, according to Farrow’s article. The nine-month affair with McDougal ended in April 2007. Trump was married to his current wife, Melania, during the time.

    Trump’s alleged infidelities have been public knowledge for years, and his tight relationship with AMI and its chief David Pecker have also been the subject of articles, but Farrow’s story implies that the Enquirer functioned as a veritable protection racket for the president. Jerry George, a former AMI senior editor, told the New Yorker that the company never published anything about Trump without his approval.

    Pecker also maintained a close relationship with Weinstein, and offered to buy rights to the story of one of his accusers as a possible means of silencing her, according to a report in the New York Times.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    On some level of the investigation or vetting, there must be a failure along the line, Trump's involvement with the Saudi government and the Russian government, we should all be concerned by this.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dockadams Wrote: On some level of the investigation or vetting, there must be a failure along the line, Trump's involvement with the Saudi government and the Russian government, we should all be concerned by this.
    Trump's response to Ms Stalh on sixty minutes and his Saudi mutually agreeable solution makes him sound more dictatorial every day.