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The latest on Trump's "wall"

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    I'd be willing to pay for this wall, but noting more elaborate:

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    One aspect of building the wall in Texas a hundred yards or so from the Rio Grande River is that that stretch of land between the wall and the Rio Grande is still American soil. As current law states, any person who is "physically present" on American soil can ask for asylum. Right now, Trump is technically trying to slow the numbers of refugees by keeping them in Mexico -- however, his proposed wall just inland along the Rio Grande will do just the opposite. It will become a safe place to ask for asylum seekers to camp out on American soil, unencumbered by the wall or fence...just the Rio Grande river which dries up at times.

    I can visualize that narrow strip of land covering hundreds of miles along the Rio Grande in Texas as being the new spot for caravans to land on American soil and seek refugee status. Maybe the previous land owners can set up shops and motels along the strip where the refugee seekers can wait while the authorities manage their asylum applications. It could become a big business. Now that should grab Trump's attention. Ha.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Well I was thinking Trump would have caved by today (Friday) but he hasn't...still twittering.

    Latest Tweets from the Washington Post:

    “I just got back and it is a far worse situation than almost anyone would understand, an invasion!”

    "The Democrats, Cryin’ Chuck and Nancy don’t know how bad and dangerous it is for our ENTIRE COUNTRY,” Trump wrote, referencing Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.).

    Trump asserted that without a wall — or steel barrier — “our Country cannot be safe.”

    As the WP article notes,"the House broke for the weekend Friday, all but ensuring that the partial government shutdown would become the longest in U.S. history, while President Trump continued his efforts to sway public opinion on the need for a U.S.-Mexico border wall."

    Still awaiting to see if he calls a national emergency...there's still time. Or maybe for many of the die hard Republicans it's just time now to relax and watch football this weekend while federal workers and others are suffering without paychecks.

    Trump has ZERO empathy for those workers, most of whom are union workers and Democrats. The Freedom Caucus Republicans are no better.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    One aspect of building the wall in Texas a hundred yards or so from the Rio Grande River is that that stretch of land between the wall and the Rio Grande is still American soil. As current law states, any person who is "physically present" on American soil can ask for asylum. Right now, Trump is technically trying to slow the numbers of refugees by keeping them in Mexico -- however, his proposed wall just inland along the Rio Grande will do just the opposite. It will become a safe place to ask for asylum seekers to camp out on American soil, unencumbered by the wall or fence...just the Rio Grande river which dries up at times.

    I can visualize that narrow strip of land covering hundreds of miles along the Rio Grande in Texas as being the new spot for caravans to land on American soil and seek refugee status. Maybe the previous land owners can set up shops and motels along the strip where the refugee seekers can wait while the authorities manage their asylum applications. It could become a big business. Now that should grab Trump's attention. Ha.

    People (as well Trump) should study where the "border is", the whole stretch of 2000 miles. Most places are wild rocky area's which are just about impossible to built on or access. It will cost fortunes to get equipment and workers there. Also our government does not even know where "exactly" the borderline is "drawings" on old maps don't indicate that accurately.

    Why don't plant "Nielsen" as an borderline marker?

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Remember the GoFundMe project to raise money for the wall?

    The GoFundMe organization just stopped the whole thing, and are refunding the entire $20 million that had been raised so far.The guy that started the fund has pledged to set up a new non-profit to continue to raise money.

    https://www.rt.com/usa/448666-border-wall-gofundme-refund/

    Not to be outdone, Terd Cruz said that we could just take the money from El Chapo.

    https://www.ajc.com/news/gen-politics/ted-cruz-proposes-using-assets-seized-from-chapo-fund-border-wall/EVCN56UaM2rivRm7x2bZUO/

    Ted may have forgotten that people that take money from drug dealers sometimes have trouble breathing:

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  • Independent
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    Ted Cruz is just about the dumbest asshole there is; I still wonder how Beto O'Rourke lost from him in TX. He and some nutty Texans must have done something with the votes. He was also at the border with Trump fully agreeing with him, please bring the barf bucket; how is it possible that such people exist.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    The "invasion" that Trump used in his failed attempt to get more votes for the Republicans is a made up "crisis" to stoke the fears of his base. What these idiots are completely ignorant about is that there really IS a crisis, but it is in the Central America countries the caravan is fleeing from. Today's Al Jazeera had a chilling account on that it is like to live in those countries:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/01/hondurans-refugees-await-papers-mexico-caravan-arrives-190117222615064.html

    A few phrases that jump out:

    "Carbajal was part of a Central American exodus last year that saw thousands of migrants flee Honduras and El Salvador in highly visible groups dubbed caravans. An estimated 6,000 migrants travelling collectively for safety made it to the United States-Mexico border in Tijuana late last year."

    "My son was decapitated," she said, reaching into her purse to retrieve a newspaper clipping with a photograph of grieving women hugging in front of yellow police tape blocking off the crime scene.

    Throughout Honduras, the transportation sector is plagued by extortion by gangs and other criminal networks, but killings over non-payment are particularly frequent along the routes between San Pedro Sula, Choloma and Puerto Cortes.

    "I received death threats," she told Al Jazeera.

    There is no question that the countries in Central America are dangerous places to live, but here is a surprising fact:

    They are far from the most dangerous places on earth. The "honor" of being the most dangerous place is Syria, followed by Afghanistan.Yemen is the 6th most dangerous country, and Russia is the 10th most dangerous country.

    Guatemala is ranked as the 53rd most dangerous country in the world.

    El Salvador is ranked the 47th most dangerous country in the world.

    Honduras is ranked as the 46th most dangerous country in the world.

    You know what country is even MORE dangerous that these countries?

    The United States.

    Officially, we are the 43rd most dangerous country in the world. It might have something to do with the fact that we have more guns per 100 inhabitants (120.5) than any other place on the planet, but the real reasons are (1) the level of safety in our society (2) international conflicts and (3) the extent of our militarization.

    https://www.atlasandboots.com/most-dangerous-countries-in-the-world-ranked/

    The index, produced by the Institute for Economics & Peace (IEP), measures global peace using three broad themes: the level of safety and security in society, the extent of domestic and international conflict, and the degree of militarisation.

    Gun violence, however, IS a big problem in the Central American counties. In terms of homicide rate from firearms per 100,000 population, Honduras is by far the most dangerous country in the world, with a death rate of 66.64 per 100,000 of population. El Salvador is #3, with a rate of 26.49, and Guatemala is #5, with a homicide rate of 29.62. Even though America has 33, 636 deaths per year (including 11,208 homicides) our homicide rate is "only" 4.62 per 100,000 of population.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

    The Boston Globe fact checked Trump's Oval Office speech about the wall, and found that it was "not exactly " accurate:

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2019/01/08/fact-checking-cheat-sheet-for-trump-immigration-address/DL3xHuntsOVNdC0dowL5YM/story.html

  • Liberal Democrat
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    I would support a wall being built around the white house to cage Trump and his staff of minions.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    The Secure Fence Act was passed in 2006. Congress put aside $1.4 billion for the fence, but the whole cost, including maintenance, was pegged at $50 billion over 25 years, according to analyses at the time. Eventually, 700 miles of fencing was erected, roughly 1/3 of what Trump wants to do. A report in May 2008 by the Congressional Research Service found "strong indication" that illegal border-crossers had simply found new routes

    Between 2010 and 2015, the wall was breached 9287 times. The average cost to repair each breach was $784. If you multiply $784 by the number of breaches, you'll arrive at $7,281,000.

    The fence had a very adverse on wildlife along its length, and it actually INCREASED violence due to more fighting among drug cartels.

    We already spend nearly $4 billion a year on the Border Patrol's annual budget, and Trump's wall would do very little to increase apprehensions or decrease the flow of illegal drugs into our country.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006

  • Independent
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    Arizona, excellent threads, sent them to the White House; they need to read them, but don't. That is what you get if uneducated rednecks are allowed to vote, then you get the "mafia NY mob"
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Arizona -- Yes there is so much that is not known by the public about the wall, and probably the most ill-informed person is Donald Trump. There have been many studies done on the impracticality of the wall especially in Texas where the Rio Grande river is the natural border . We've seen countless videos of tunnels under the wall some deeper than 70 feet. Just yesterday, 376 migrants used tunnels to cross under the wall into US territory where upon they immediately turned themselves in as asylum seekers. A wall is not a deterrent for asylum seekers.

    In any case most drugs come in through points of entry and most illegal immigrants arrive with visas at airports and overstay their visas. The wall is nothing more than a symbol for Trump to energize his base of ignorant bigots.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Arizona -- Yes there is so much that is not known by the public about the wall, and probably the most ill-informed person is Donald Trump. There have been many studies done on the impracticality of the wall especially in Texas where the Rio Grande river is the natural border . We've seen countless videos of tunnels under the wall some deeper than 70 feet. Just yesterday, 376 migrants used tunnels to cross under the wall into US territory where upon they immediately turned themselves in as asylum seekers. A wall is not a deterrent for asylum seekers.

    In any case most drugs come in through points of entry and most illegal immigrants arrive with visas at airports and overstay their visas. The wall is nothing more than a symbol for Trump to energize his base of ignorant bigots.

    Yes Schmidt, Arizona and you say the right things, but if it does not enter the "cemented concrete brains" of our "leaders" then our "threads" are written for deaf ears.
  • Independent
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    Here is the reason for NO wall:

    https://www.facebook.com/NowThisWeed/videos/287977598559172/

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Yes drones and other means of just catapulting a package over the "wall" is an obvious solution for drug smugglers. The drone allows a quick drop off into a highly populated neighborhood before the border patrol agents can get to the scene.

    Homeland Security agents can, of course, monitor these areas with their own drones, but they still need agents to be quickly onto the drop zone to make arrests. Clever drug peddlers will be able to flee quickly.

    The wall is not an obstacle for drug smugglers. And caravans of asylum seekers go to the ports of entry. What we need is more facilities and immigration judges to process asylum seekers at the border, but Trump would like to keep this bottleneck and put up walls to keep them from doing an "end around". As we have seen in the various video clips of tunnels, the walls are useless for a tunnel 70 feet under the wall.

    I just hope that saner Republicans in the next three weeks can educate Trump on the uselessness of a "big beautiful wall" in this 21st century.

  • Independent
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    Like I've said so many times: He's making "money" of it!! He also has contacts in the "underworld" who deal in drugs as well has ties to the contractors, so he earns both ways.
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