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  • Independent
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    This is from Australia how they think about Trump's wall:

    https://www.facebook.com/LiberalMountain/videos/1152441114826796/

    Enjoy; this is fun!!!

  • Liberal Democrat
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    I saw another clip somewhere of ladder brigades showing their skills in running up to a tall wall, putting up the ladders and climbing the wall and then pulling the ladder up and over in matters of seconds. It was a high wall. I'll have to search for it.

    The point is that unless the border patrols have 24/7 monitoring of every section of the wall, it can be scaled in less than a minute...like it's not even there...an "invisible wall"...a $24 billion wall.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    I saw another clip somewhere of ladder brigades showing their skills in running up to a tall wall, putting up the ladders and climbing the wall and then pulling the ladder up and over in matters of seconds. It was a high wall. I'll have to search for it.

    The point is that unless the border patrols have 24/7 monitoring of every section of the wall, it can be scaled in less than a minute...like it's not even there...an "invisible wall"...a $24 billion wall.

    Yes I posted the ladder Olympics clip. Let's hope the "wall" will never be budgeted. But the Australian clip shows clearly what the world thinks of us!!
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Trump is refusing to act on DACA unless the budget includes funding for his foolish wall,

    A few days ago, Senator John McCain and Senator Chris Coons released a bi-partisan bill that would would protect the dreamers, but would NOT provide funding for the wall.

    This morning, it was revealed that Mitch McConnell does not intend to allow this bill to come to a vote (which has generated another petition). To further complicate things, John Kelley said that he is not sure if Trump has the authority to extend the March 5 deadline for dreamers to renew their status, which ignores the fact that Trump thought that he had authority to end the DACA program.

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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    Trump is refusing to act on DACA unless the budget includes funding for his foolish wall,

    A few days ago, Senator John McCain and Senator Chris Coons released a bi-partisan bill that would would protect the dreamers, but would NOT provide funding for the wall.

    This morning, it was revealed that Mitch McConnell does not intend to allow this bill to come to a vote (which has generated another petition). To further complicate things, John Kelley said that he is not sure if Trump has the authority to extend the March 5 deadline for dreamers to renew their status, which ignores the fact that Trump thought that he had authority to end the DACA program.

    Guy; I've said way in the past that this country has a lot to learn; your thread shows such over and over again. All they do is kick the can down the road and make things worse than that they are. The McCain/Coons thing sounds reasonable; but is already rejected (certainly by the W.H.)
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    The French have an expensive lesson in border control. They had faith in the Maginot Line which failed. What is the source of Trump's illogic that gives him such faith in a wall. I think he just wants a huge indestructible monument to Truump.7
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: The French have an expensive lesson in border control. They had faith in the Maginot Line which failed. What is the source of Trump's illogic that gives him such faith in a wall. I think he just wants a huge indestructible monument to Truump.7
    Chet, don't forget the "Berlin" wall as well the Chinese "wall" ( the biggest in the world) they all lost their purpose. Of course Trump wants to fly high above it (in A.F 1) to claim it to be the next world "wonder" which "he" created. Bring me the "barf bucket" please.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Defense is the worst position to be in. Using a huge fixed obvious structure for a solution to counter mobile stealthy unencumbered individuals who's only goal is to get on the other side is a tough job. Trump wants a huge monument bearing his name. Stipulating a meaningful name should be part of any wall deal. Trouble is most people would be insulted to have that wall named for them.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    We'll see if he shuts down the government over border wall funding, he want's $5B. Maybe Mexico will kick in a few bucks?
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Trump should read about the Maginot Line.
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    Dockadams Wrote: We'll see if he shuts down the government over border wall funding, he want's $5B. Maybe Mexico will kick in a few bucks?
    Forget the $5 billion; the cost will be more than 50 times that; don't forget the difficult "terrain" on which it has to be built, as well the disputes and claims of the landowners surely will come. Furthermore the distance of about over 2000 miles requires a lot of resources/labor etc. The border lines are not even exactly defined at certain places.Also don't forget what Trump "pockets"; I bet he selects the "contractors" who for sure are asked for "kickbacks" to him; to be deposited in the Caymans or another foreign "bank" heaven. He is not eager about "border protection"; he wants only the millions flowing in his pocket. Amen.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    I don't know that Trump cares or knows about the effectiveness of building a wall, but it has become his signature issue for keeping a part of his base energized and ready to die for him. He will push it to the limit even with the prospect of defeat by Democrats and moderate Republicans. However, that hard core part of his base -- the white supremacists -- will draw energy and inspiration from his one man stand against Congress, and will vote in big numbers come 2020. Even in defeat they will continue to support him..."at least his heart is in the right place"..."he didn't fail us...he tried."
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Good point, Chet.

    Not only is Trump not a good student of history, which often repeats itself, he doesn't even read much at all. I agree with Schmidt that Trump really doesn't care if he builds the wall or not, as long as he fires up his base. That was also why he spent $250 million right before the mid-terms so he could fire them up about "the invasion" from Central America.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maginot_Line

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    Schmidt Wrote: I don't know that Trump cares or knows about the effectiveness of building a wall, but it has become his signature issue for keeping a part of his base energized and ready to die for him. He will push it to the limit even with the prospect of defeat by Democrats and moderate Republicans. However, that hard core part of his base -- the white supremacists -- will draw energy and inspiration from his one man stand against Congress, and will vote in big numbers come 2020. Even in defeat they will continue to support him..."at least his heart is in the right place"..."he didn't fail us...he tried."
    I wonder how much of his base makes up the 62% of Americans think he is a liar?
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote: We'll see if he shuts down the government over border wall funding, he want's $5B. Maybe Mexico will kick in a few bucks?
    Forget the $5 billion; the cost will be more than 50 times that; don't forget the difficult "terrain" on which it has to be built, as well the disputes and claims of the landowners surely will come. Furthermore the distance of about over 2000 miles requires a lot of resources/labor etc. The border lines are not even exactly defined at certain places.Also don't forget what Trump "pockets"; I bet he selects the "contractors" who for sure are asked for "kickbacks" to him; to be deposited in the Caymans or another foreign "bank" heaven. He is not eager about "border protection"; he wants only the millions flowing in his pocket. Amen.

    Oh I know how difficult the terrain is, after being in New Mexico for 5 years and owning a narrow trail rated Jeep, we went many places where an ordinary 4 wheel drive couldn't navigate. The Texas/Mexico border terrain is very similar. In fact, once in awhile we'd see CBP agents parked in Lake Valley, NM using binoculars trying to spot immigrants on foot, I don't know how successful they were apprehending anyone in that area. From the east where Caballo Lake is located to the foothills of the Gila National Forest is where the lake valley runs, from the south where El Paso, Texas is located, the lake valley is tough in the day time hours on summer days when it's very, very hot and dry, a person can become dehydrated in just a short time, at night, the temps drop dramatically. There's also critters that come out at dusk, rats, snakes, tarantulas, scorpions and others come out. If the terrain doesn't get to you, the critters and conditions can. bing.com/maps?q=caballo+lake%2c+new+mex...

    Just getting contractors to work in those conditions would be monumental.

    And as you mentioned, what kind of kickbacks will the Trump organization get from the contract bids. $5B is a hell of a lot of money.