Hypocrisy of faith-based and anti-abortion groups
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Schmidt Wrote:USA Today, May 10, 2019: Mike Pence: Why his role as Trump's evangelical ambassador is facing new pushback Republicans have owned the votes of Christian evangelicals with Mike Pence on the ticket. The support from older Christian conservatives remains steadfast, but for younger Christians the support is eroding particularly as it relates to LGBT rights and abortion. Furthermore, the openly gay 37 year old Pete Buttigieg has openly challenged Mike Pence's credentials by asking how he "could allow himself to become the cheerleader of the porn star presidency...Is it that he stopped believing in scripture when he started believing in Donald Trump?" Ouch...that hits home for some young Christian evangelical voters. From the USA Today article: "White evangelical Protestants still overwhelmingly support Trump, giving him the strongest backing of any religious group, according to the Pew Research Center. But the 78% approval rating Trump received from that group at the start of his administration had dropped to 69% in January." This is one example of how Democrats can win in 2020...hitting Trump where it hurts the most. Pete Buttigieg has shown that Trump does not own the evangelicals entirely. Knocking off 10 percent here and there with other parts of his base will spell disaster for Trump in 2020. He cannot afford those kind of losses in the Rust Belt states especially, but also Florida with a recent large base of Puerto Rico immigrants who do plan to vote against Trump. Of course, this is all moot if Trump is impeached in the House and convicted in the Senate. Okay...the Senate conviction will never happen. Trump will resign from office first, but not before he makes blanket pardons to his family, friends, cronies, aides, and himself. Ha. Schmidt, No Buttigieg only makes them even more fanatic. If you look at the "abortion" craziness" that says enough. I don't think their Trump support numbers will change regardless what Trump or Pence does. Just look at what the "evangelical" preacher idiot said: Trump should get another 2 years of reign, because of the way he has been treated.
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T.J: After North Carolina passed their "bathroom bill", CNBC estimated that it would cost the state $3.76 billion in the next dozen years. As far as I know, the law is still on the books. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/27/bathroom-bill-to-cost-north-carolina-376-billion.html Another example of financial pressure forcing social change is the Greensboro sit-in in 1960, which came about 5 years after the Montgomery bus embargo forced the city to change its hiring practices. http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2015/04/greensboro-again.html After Arizona passed HB1062, it nearly lost the Super Bowl. The city fathers took notice, and the bill was softened considerably, which allowed Glendale to keep the 2015 Super Bowl. Mike Pence is apparently a poor student of history, since he signed SB101 in 2015. After the business community expressed outrage, the bill got watered down considerably. The marketplace is powerful tool for making desirable social changes, and it's more powerful than promises by politicians. As the saying goes, "money talks, and bullshit walks".
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The Alabama law would even penalize women who traveled out of state to have an abortion in states where it is legal, so apparently Alabama lawmakers think that women are property of the state. The paragraph below explains the rationale for all the crazy abortion laws that are sweeping the country. Opponents have vowed to challenge the measure in federal court if it becomes law. Even the legislation’s supporters expect that a lower court will block the measure. But it was drafted with exactly that in mind. The ban’s architects, reflecting the rising confidence of abortion critics nationwide after the appointment of Brett M. Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court, hope that the justices will use the case to reconsider the central holding in Roe and allow the Alabama measure to take effect. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/us/abortion-law-alabama.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage As always, the states are taking their "marching orders" from ALEC, which published the article below in 1985: https://www.alecexposed.org/w/images/1/11/5B5-Parental_Consent_For_Abortion_Act_Exposed.pdf The ALEC website itself has a HUGE number of positions. You won't find "abortion" using the search bar, but their positions on many topics will make you cringe.
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Karen Hedwig Backm Wrote:I do not believe in anything other than science and facts. However, I am fine with the beliefs of others, true or false, as long as they do not injure or restrict others. But, I am having a serious problem with the Alabama litmus test for political candidates: Are you a member of a faith community? Are you pro-life?
I am seriously offended by those questions, especially as a non-member of a "faith" community, or as a person who questions the real meaning of the term "pro-life". How can you call yourself pro-life when you do not have a problem with the fact that an American woman is seven times more likely to die of pregnancy-related complications than a Finnish woman, simply because these so-called "pro-life" people do not believe in prenatal and obstetric care for pregnant women, especially poor women. These harsh facts of American life are even harsher in the so-called "pro-life" state of Alabama. Hypocrisy. Pure and simple and evil hypocrisy. And, the issue of so-called "faith". What kind of evil devil do these so-called "pro-life" people worship if they refuse to feed the hungry, give water to the thirsty, homes to the homeless, medical care to the sick? What kind of "faith" is that? Hypocrisy. Pure and simple and evil hypocrisy. Just stop it with the sanctimonious litmus test for political candidates. And the endemic deceit and dishonesty found in your ranks. As much as I have a problem with the bulk of so-called pro lifers that question doesn’t bother me as much as the “are you a member of a faith community” bullshit. We know that pro lifers are not pro life but anti-abortion and should be labeled as such. The second question is unconstitutional on its face. No religious test is required to hold an office of public trust. And of course the phrasing of the question is obvious as well. They mean evangelical but would accept conservative mainline to a point and perhaps even Roman. But a devout Muslim or Jew or other religion? Not so much. So, yeah, hypocrite fits
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that guy in AZ Wrote:The Alabama law would even penalize women who traveled out of state to have an abortion in states where it is legal, so apparently Alabama lawmakers think that women are property of the state. The paragraph below explains the rationale for all the crazy abortion laws that are sweeping the country. Opponents have vowed to challenge the measure in federal court if it becomes law. Even the legislation’s supporters expect that a lower court will block the measure. But it was drafted with exactly that in mind. The ban’s architects, reflecting the rising confidence of abortion critics nationwide after the appointment of Brett M. Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court, hope that the justices will use the case to reconsider the central holding in Roe and allow the Alabama measure to take effect. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/us/abortion-law-alabama.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage As always, the states are taking their "marching orders" from ALEC, which published the article below in 1985: https://www.alecexposed.org/w/images/1/11/5B5-Parental_Consent_For_Abortion_Act_Exposed.pdf The ALEC website itself has a HUGE number of positions. You won't find "abortion" using the search bar, but their positions on many topics will make you cringe. Precisely. The goal is a SCOTUS case to overturn Roe v Wade. As for ALEC? It is a R.I.C.O. case waiting to be prosecuted. That is just my opinion. The entire Republican Party is a R.I.C.O. case waiting for prosecution.
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Dutch Wrote:Alabama voted for the worst abortion bill last night; doctors who perform abortions get up to 99 years in jail. No exceptions for rape or incest, even miscarriages are an "crime". The law was intentionally written to be illegal and over the top extreme. Their goal is to get the Supreme Court to take up the case and, they hope, to overturn Roe V. Wade. If it has not been already, a court will rule the law to be unconstitutional, triggering the appeals process. This may backfire on them because the law is so clearly unconstitutional that the Supreme Court my choose not to even review the case, thus the lower court ruling will stand.
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that guy in AZ Wrote:Missouri is the latest state to pass a restrictive abortion bill. Early Thursday morning — just hours before a Friday deadline to pass legislation — Missouri’s Republican-controlled Senate voted 24-10 to pass the bill, which would ban abortions at eight weeks of pregnancy, according to the Associated Press. The bill is headed to the Republican-controlled House for approval and, if it passes, it will be sent to Republican Gov. Mike Parson for signing. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/05/16/missouris-gop-led-senate-passes-strict-antiabortion-bill-amid-wave-similar-legislation/?utm_term=.f53393733f3b Since Governor Parson wants to make Missouri the most Pro-Life state in the country, he'll probably sign it soon. The states appear to be doing this as unified effort so that the Supreme Court is more likely perceive this as a national mandate because so many states are passing laws the block women from getting an abortion. Also, they perceive the timing is right with Trump as president which suggests it a good time to push for extreme actions. Also, they are betting that Trump will push hard to get the Supreme Court to over turn Roe V Wade. It is considered to undue influence for the President to directly lobby the Supreme Court, but Trump loves to break boundaries, so its a fair bet that Trump will go as far to directly meet with, or call, Supreme Court justices, and discuss the issue with them. It i seasy to imagine trump tweeting: "I spoke with a couple of Supreme Court justices today, and they are onboard with over turning Roe V. Wade"..... Of course such a tweet would be highly misleading about any conversation he might have had, but Trump does not care, he wants to be perceived as being the puppet master over everything.
Trump would love to go down in history as the president who overturned Roe v. Wade. What is so, so, ironic is that Trump does not give a flying fuck about abortion as mornal issue. He simply wants to be famous for getting it over turned. All the pro\cons of the issues are wasted on him. It simply comes down to "Did I win?".
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Alabama now has the strictest abortion law in the country, but Northern Ireland's is even stricter, despite the fact that abortion was legalized in the southern part of Ireland last year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_Kingdom Here are the details of the new law in the south, commonly called "Savita's law" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/26/ireland-votes-by-landslide-to-legalise-abortion The new law allows abortion by request up to 12 weeks of pregnancy, and beyond that time frame with restrictions. Forty years ago Irish women could not even buy a condom legally, divorce was banned and abortion almost unmentionable in public. So for many supporters, the wave of public support for repeal sealed a remarkable national transformation.
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The only thing I can say; who "invented" all this crap?. In this country they have no clue whatsoever. No one is the "boss" over your body; neither church or State. The suicide rate in this country is the highest in the world; guess why? Because of these idiot churches, who want total control of your "brain" as well "body". So in the end they can pull an Guyana cool-aid thing on you. Again "bibles" were written by "humans" only; who wanted control over the people; the same kind of indoctrination as Trump/Pence carries out. Nature determines "birth" even animals give birth or have miscarry's; sometimes eat their baby's, no churches, let alone the government involved. This whole planet is filled with living things; only the "human" species disturbs an "natural" reproduction process. I guess the "coathanger sales" will spike like crazy.
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What is wrong with these guys from Missouri? During the discussion of their draconian abortion bill, Rep. Barry Hovis discussed "consensual rape". After the Kansas City Star quoted him, he later said that he had "mispoke". https://washingtonpress.com/2019/05/17/a-missouri-republican-lawmaker-just-sparked-outrage-after-trying-to-use-consensual-rape-to-defend-their-anti-abortion-law/ In 2014, Congressman Todd Aiken said, " if it’s legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut the whole thing down.” http://time.com/3001785/todd-akin-legitimate-rape-msnbc-child-of-rape/ Unbelievable.
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