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Hypocrisy of faith-based and anti-abortion groups

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    I do not believe in anything other than science and facts. However, I am fine with the beliefs of others, true or false, as long as they do not injure or restrict others.

    But, I am having a serious problem with the Alabama litmus test for political candidates:

    Are you a member of a faith community?

    Are you pro-life?

    I am seriously offended by those questions, especially as a non-member of a "faith" community, or as a person who questions the real meaning of the term "pro-life".

    How can you call yourself pro-life when you do not have a problem with the fact that an American woman is seven times more likely to die of pregnancy-related complications than a Finnish woman, simply because these so-called "pro-life" people do not believe in prenatal and obstetric care for pregnant women, especially poor women. These harsh facts of American life are even harsher in the so-called "pro-life" state of Alabama.

    Hypocrisy. Pure and simple and evil hypocrisy.

    And, the issue of so-called "faith". What kind of evil devil do these so-called "pro-life" people worship if they refuse to feed the hungry, give water to the thirsty, homes to the homeless, medical care to the sick?

    What kind of "faith" is that?

    Hypocrisy. Pure and simple and evil hypocrisy.

    Just stop it with the sanctimonious litmus test for political candidates.

    And the endemic deceit and dishonesty found in your ranks.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Colorado Springs, CO
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    Karen -- Welcome to the Democratic Hub website. Yes I agree with you and I'm sure several other members on this website as well. We have often written about the hypocrisy of the religious right on the topic of pro-life. For many of them in practice being pro-life only applies to "in the womb" and "on one's death bed", but little to support the teachings of Jesus in between regarding helping the poor.

    As a political litmus test for candidates, some are asked in writing and some are more subtle. In my home town of Colorado Springs (sometimes referred to as the Christian Mecca of the north), I cannot help but notice that Republican candidates for office lead off their websites with their religious affiliation and a picture of them with their large family of blond children.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Karen, Welcome. Yes you are absolutely correct. I came from the Netherlands where they have excellent care for women. These Christian zealots have no idea or feelings related to life. If a woman is raped or the fetus will become a vegetable or so deformed that it will suffer for a few years and die, what is the religious purpose of that anyway. Women have a body which is their own and does not belong to anyone except herself. State nor church should have any say about that. See all my writings about "how to get rich, selling snake oil" .
  • Democrat
    Denver, CO
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    For the pro-lifers, I extracted this message from Bill Moyers FB page:

    A Catholic Nun on What It Really Means to Be Pro-Life

    "I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is." - Sister Joan Chittister

    This defines my impression (rightly or wrongly) of so many Christians who are on crusade to overturn Roe v Wade based on their sense of morality. They're ideology is not cradle to grave, but rather womb and deathbed only. Everything else in-between is tough shit.

    Love this, spot on. As a female with some pro life tendencies in my early years that fought internally with my larger tendency towards a stronger, more socially liberal side, this exemplifies perfectly my current position on this issue. Many years to get here, though, after much internal struggle.

    Schmidt's previous comment from another thread so apropos for this thread also, and constitutes overall my biggest argument with pro lifer evangelicals.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    planethead Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote:

    For the pro-lifers, I extracted this message from Bill Moyers FB page:

    A Catholic Nun on What It Really Means to Be Pro-Life

    "I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is." - Sister Joan Chittister

    This defines my impression (rightly or wrongly) of so many Christians who are on crusade to overturn Roe v Wade based on their sense of morality. They're ideology is not cradle to grave, but rather womb and deathbed only. Everything else in-between is tough shit.

    Love this, spot on. As a female with some pro life tendencies in my early years that fought internally with my larger tendency towards a stronger, more socially liberal side, this exemplifies perfectly my current position on this issue. Many years to get here, though, after much internal struggle.

    Schmidt's previous comment from another thread so apropos for this thread also, and constitutes overall my biggest argument with pro lifer evangelicals.

    No; it is much simpler than that; neither "church" or "State" owns your body; you own it. You should be able determine if you want kids or not . Planned Parenthood can be used as an "consultation" in case of doubt or advise about "medical issues" That's all folks. Why all the fuss of others who want control over you; this is not N. Korea I hope.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Pensacola, FL
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    Crusades and Inquisitions are famous examples of proud hypocrisy. As well as Hawaii .
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    The two questions are interesting.

    The faith community question is a direct violation of the no religious test clause of the constitution. Thus Republicans are hypocrites right off the bat and liars as well when they claim to be originalists.

    The pro-life question is merely framing which the Republicans are far better at than Democrats. Of course they are not pro-life. They are simply opposed to legalized abortion. And we know that wealthy women will get safe abortions whether they are legal or not. So that question is exposed as being based in class warfare with overtones of racism. Basically Republicans are intellectually dishonest regarding abortion. But that is unsurprising as the current mutated strain of conservatism and the Republican Party are dishonest in general.

    I add my welcome to our newest member!