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  • Democrat
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    Spine. Less.

    Needs to look up the word 'recuse' and have a serious chat with Nunes.

  • Independent
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    I think Ryan is more of puppet master. In the case of Nunes, Ryan is intentionally not controlling him. Ryan knows the Nunes memo is total BS fiction, but Nunes is giving trump's base what they want: Deep State Conspiracy Theories. Ryan can sit back reap the rewards that it brings the Republican party while not getting his hands dirty, so to speak. If whole Memo BS unravels, Nunes takes the fall.

    IMHO, the memo BS is akin to giving opioid drug addicts a big dose of heroin, and it keeps them addicted and also dependent on the dealer for more. I am strictly talking about trump's hardcore base that will stick with him no matter what he says or does. Mainstream republicans and swing voters know what shit looks\smells like because shit is pretty damn obvious. trump's base is the wacko fringe of the US society, where the world is flat, the Nazi Holocaust is Fake News created by jews, President Obama fake his birth cert (thus an illegal Alien), its normal to be a KKK member, the deep state control 99% of government, and trump is the second coming of Jesus Christ during the Christian End Times.

  • Independent
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    wwjd Wrote:

    I think Ryan is more of puppet master. In the case of Nunes, Ryan is intintally not controlling him. Ryan knows the Nunes memo is total BS fiction, but Nunes is giving trump's base what they want: Deep State Conspiracy Theories. Ryan can sit back reap the rewards that it brings the Republican party while not getting his hands dirty, so to speak. If whole Memo BS unravels, Nunes takes the fall.

    IMHO, the memo BS is akin to giving opioid drug addicts a big dose of heroin, and it keeps them addicted and also dependent on the dealer for more. I am strictly talking about trump's hardcore base that will stick with him no matter what he says or does. Mainstream republicans and swing voters know what shit looks\smells like because shit is pretty damn obvious. trump's base is the wacko fringe of the US society, where the world is flat, the Nazi Holocaust is Fake News created by jews, President Obama fake his birth cert (thus an illegal Alien), its normal to be a KKK member, the deep state control 99% of government, and trump is the second coming of Jesus Christ during the Christian End Times.

    There are still healthy thinking people here, however if you let the "stupid" States as well "religion" (thus ignorance) run a country and the "leader" reads "Mein Kampf", then you end up as with any Muslim country in the same situation as Iraq or Afghanistan, with the only difference being that the word "Muslim" is replaced by the word "Christian". i.e. "dictatorship" of a few over an different thinking majority.

    By the way Ryan is about the worst White Christian "fanatic" in history; he's a member of the "Freedom Caucus" ( leave out the word "Freedom"; it means "dictatorship" by an "minority of about less than 32%)

  • Liberal Democrat
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    The article shown below is pretty lengthy, and is largely a discussion about Economics, but the last few paragraphs discuss Paul Ryan, the Koch brothers, and the Young Guns program. It's pretty obvious that Mr. Ryan has not changed much since his college days, when he first read "Atlas Shrugged".

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2011/03/that-damn-obama.html

  • Liberal Democrat
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    About the "Freedom Caucus":

    It is simply the new name for the Tea Party Caucus. If you research the objectives of the Tea Party on their website, you will find that the ideas listed are nearly identical to the ideas of the John Birch Society:

    https://www.jbs.org/issues-pages

    As you are probably aware, one of the founders of JBS was Fred Koch, whose sons runs a little energy company in Kansas.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Yes Veronica and then Eternal Flame (possibly same person), before she left the Democratic Hub website, used to write about the John Birch Society often. Here's a rather long thread from our website in 2010 that had disagreement about the JBS from an Ernie guy, a defender of the Tea Party. There were other threads that followed it over the years led by Eternal Flame.

    How THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY (now the Tea Party) subverted AMERICA

    I also am one who believes that the John Birch Society, Tea Party and Freedom Caucus are essentially the same with similar if not exact political views.

    Yes Paul Ryan certainly appears to be a John Bircher or shares many of their political views.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Here is a Truthout article from 2012 linking Paul Ryan and the Birchers.

    Truthout, August 2012: Paul Ryan and the Long War on Democracy

    Here's an extract:

    "The reactionary Koch brothers, along with Tea Party advocates and gloves-off free-market capitalists have used the Citizens United decision to pressure Romney into selecting Ryan as his running mate. The Koch brothers are staunch supporters of Ryan; in fact, they have been among the largest contributors to Ryan over his entire political career.

    "Ryan's mission is likely to fulfill papa Fred Koch's vision to restore America to its former glory days as a white Christian nation ruled by a plutocratic moneyed elite. The elder Koch was the founder of the notorious John Birch Society ("Diamond," Sara (1995). NY: Guilford Press. p. 324. ISBN 0-89862-862-8). As the progenitor of the Koch family, the elder Koch candidly and unabashedly wrote, "the colored man looms large in the Communist plan to take over America," and "welfare was a secret plot to attract rural blacks to cities, where they would foment a vicious race war")."

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    Remember, this is from 2012...

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Ryan is a self centered supremacist:

    "Ryan believes federal poverty reduction programs are ineffective and supports cuts to welfare, child care, Pell Grants, food stamps, and other federal assistance programs. Ryan supports block granting Medicaid to the states and the privatization of social security and Medicare. Ryan supported the Medicare Part D prescription drug benefit and opposes the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA), also known as "Obamacare." Ryan supported the American Health Care Act of 2017 (AHCA), the House Republican plan to repeal and replace the ACA, which passed the House on May 4, 2017."

    How much lower can one sink in the consideration of human beings other than personally designated. That is the essence of discrimination, selfishness.

  • Democrat
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    Dutch, I like the opiod analogy.

    As far as the Nunes memo situation, though, don't you think as Speaker that Ryan is much more than a puppetmaster? It's his job to make the call to either direct or remove Nunes to uphold his previous recusal, right? Unless I'm missing something or I misunderstand.

    In the same vein, Rosenstein and FBI director's recent meetings with Ryan to request that the memo not be released and to try to prohibit Nunes' antics generally show that Ryan could deter Nunes, but chooses not to. While I would never say Nunes is not at fault, I think the larger burden falls on Ryan's shoulders to stop this nonsense. I think history should and will reflect this omission.

  • Democrat
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    oops, meant wwjd, and I read it wrong. I missed your word 'intentionally'...
  • Independent
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    planethead Wrote:

    As far as the Nunes memo situation, though, don't you think as Speaker that Ryan is much more than a puppetmaster? It's his job to make the call to either direct or remove Nunes to uphold his previous recusal, right? Unless I'm missing something or I misunderstand.

    In the same vein, Rosenstein and FBI director's recent meetings with Ryan to request that the memo not be released and to try to prohibit Nunes' antics generally show that Ryan could deter Nunes, but chooses not to. While I would never say Nunes is not at fault, I think the larger burden falls on Ryan's shoulders to stop this nonsense. I think history should and will reflect this omission.

    My perception of Ryan is planning on running for president, and he wants to keep his hands clean from any apparent involvement with anything linked to trump. Ryan is a smart politician and knows trump (and his base) is very bad news for Republicans. Ryan does have a lot of power\influence\control over what happens in the House and in the national Republican party, and wants to keep it.

    With Nunes and the Memo, I suspect Ryan supports its release because he knows the memo will create a false narrative that is too his political advantage. Ryan could stop the release of the memo if he wanted, but he has chosen not too. It's more of support by NOT stopping it, which is different than supporting it with a public endorsement. Ryan has not publicly endorsed the memo ASAIK.

    Technically, I agree with you that that as The Speaker of the House he can stop the release of the memo, and should be held accountable for it. Politically he has been careful enough to control the strings so that others will take the political blame. Hell, it's very likely that Nunes has been working closely with Ryan this entire time, and Ryan privately has approved and\or engineered every single step. IMHO, Nunes is a corrupt second rate stooge who is being played by the real power players who are smart enough to remain in the shadows of ruthless and extremely dirty politics. Nunes is a wannabee smuck that wants to be part of that A team, but he is not A Team material, so A Team uses him to do the public dirty BS which he perceives will ultimately lead to him to being invited to join the A Team, which will never ever happen. This whole thing will end very badly for him either with criminal charges and\or driven out politics.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Paul Ryan does indeed have the power to rein in Devin Nunes, but another possible scenario being posited by Rep Quigley, one of the members of the House Intelligence Committee, is that Nunes staff collaborated with White House staff in writing the memo. Both Ryan and Nunes it appears are deliberately concocting a narrative to provide a basis for Trump to fire Rosentein once the contents of the highly classified memo are made public. Here is Quigley's questioning:

    Rep. Quigley: But let me ask you another question with the greatest respect. When you, as the majority, conceived of doing this memo for release to the body and to the public, the preparation, the thought of doing it, the consultation of it, was any of this done after/during conversations or consultations with anyone in the White House? Did they have any idea you were doing this? Did they talk about doing this with you? Did they suggest it? Did you suggest it to them? Did you consult in deciding how to go forward with this before, during, and after this point right now?

    Rep. Nunes: I would just answer, as far as I know, no.

    Rep. Quigley: Mr. Chairman, does that mean that none of the staff members that worked for the majority had any consultation, communication at all with the White House?

    Rep. Nunes: The chair is not going to entertain a question by another member. (23-24)

    If true this would be obstruction of justice by several people on both Nune's staff and White House aides.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Jonathan Chait, New York Magazine, Paul Ryan Is the Silent Partner in Trump’s War on the Rule of Law

    Jonathan Chait's article above points to Paul Ryan as Trump's chief enabler to block investigations of all of Trump's actions.

  • Independent
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    It appears imminent that Rosenstein and the head of FBI Christopher Wray will be fired or resign.

    In theory, trump will replace both with individuals who have given a loyalty oath to trump and likely have very questionable past of their own.

    The person replacing Rosenstein could instruct Mueller something akin to the following: "The scope of the investigation will no longer include the president. All current investigations involving the president must immediately end, and all related documents be destroyed. Nothing should remain that indicates there ever was any investigation into the president. It should be as if never occured"

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Jonathan Chait, New York Magazine, Paul Ryan Is the Silent Partner in Trump’s War on the Rule of Law

    Jonathan Chait's article above points to Paul Ryan as Trump's chief enabler to block investigations of all of Trump's actions.

    I have not finished Wolff book yet, but he does point out that trump's vulnerability is that very savvy politicians, both good and bad, can manipulate trump by appearing to be a loyal and trusted trump team member. They do this by feeding his ego, (aka feed the beast) with how amazing he is, how brilliant he is, giving him undying support, asking for his wise insights as if there is no other person on the planet that is wiser than him. They treat trump as an authoritarian leader who never makes a mistake, and in return they make him think that their ideas are his, and he thought of them.

    In the case of Ryan, Ryan is fully aware trump is out of league, unable to handle the responsibilities to president, total asshole as person, and a complete moron. Ryan knows all this, and uses trump's failings to his political advantage.