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NYT: trump ordered Mueller fired, but backed down

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  • Independent
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    nytimes.com/2018/01/25/us/politics/trum...

    A big insight here is that trump tests people around him by making threats\bluffs. And when key people are willing quit, trump backs down (privately) because if one or more are willing quit to save their own ass, it tells trump that he will be in very deep shit if he follows through with the threat.

  • Center Left
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    Good article. So much time has passed already.

  • Independent
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    TJ Wrote:

    Good article. So much time has passed already.

    ...And people are speculating as to why it was leaked now. One suggestion it that it is an Ace card being held back waiting the Mueller investigation to close in on trump to show that one or more people blocked trump's efforts, and others promoted it.

    This is also one of those leaks that both sides see as being good. His base sees it as validation that trump tried to fire the devil worshiping Mueller, but the DEEP STATE stopped him. Everyone else views it as more evidence that trump is trying to shutdown\control the investigation.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Lawrence O'Donnell had a good panel of knowledgeable people discussing all the nuances of the attempted firing. The consensus is that this is bad news for Trump. Considering all the other Trump acts (firing Comey, threats to fire Sessions or get him to resign, etc.) the case for obstruction of justice is getting stronger. It raises additional questions on whether Trump will voluntarily be interviewed by Mueller.

    Mueller has been working himself up the chain of command and is almost there with respect to the obstruction of justice charges for the big fish. However, the bigger issues of possible Russian collusion or money laundering will take more time.

    As a strategy one has to wonder if Mueller is pushing harder on the obstruction charges now with the intent it will cause other witnesses to flip on the more serious charges. I believe money laundering will ultimately bring down Trump along with obstruction of justice...or perhaps sex.

    How about the hush money paid to a porn star to keep quiet? Why did Melania cancel out on the trip to Davos? Being multilingual, this is where she would expect to shine, mixing with the billionaire CEOs. This might be a bigger story.

    Will await Trump's tweet when he wakes up in the morning from Davos.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Lawrence O'Donnell had a good panel of knowledgeable people discussing all the nuances of the attempted firing. The consensus is that this is bad news for Trump. Considering all the other Trump acts (firing Comey, threats to fire Sessions or get him to resign, etc.) the case for obstruction of justice is getting stronger. It raises additional questions on whether Trump will voluntarily be interviewed by Mueller.

    Mueller has been working himself up the chain of command and is almost there with respect to the obstruction of justice charges for the big fish. However, the bigger issues of possible Russian collusion or money laundering will take more time.

    As a strategy one has to wonder if Mueller is pushing harder on the obstruction charges now with the intent it will cause other witnesses to flip on the more serious charges. I believe money laundering will ultimately bring down Trump along with obstruction of justice...or perhaps sex.

    How about the hush money paid to a porn star to keep quiet? Why did Melania cancel out on the trip to Davos? Being multilingual, this is where she would expect to shine, mixing with the billionaire CEOs. This might be a bigger story.

    Will await Trump's tweet when he wakes up in the morning from Davos.

    About Melania, I think when he returns he will land in Palm Beach first and stays there to recover from the trip and then fly to Washington with Melania. The thing I wonder about is all the dumb asses (about 40 plus) who went with him to Davos, how they travel back to D.C. Add this trip to all Trumps outings for nothing; then if Schumer finally gets smart, he should deduct all these cost from Trump's "wall" (should add up to at least 150 million deduction)
  • Independent
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    Now that Mueller knows that trump tried to fire him, trump can fire him for being too biased because Mueller knows trump wants to fire him.

    [Fictional, but realistic, trump BS]

    Trump: "He can't be fair because he knows that I wanted to fire him, so now I have to fire him. If he didn't know, I wouldn't have to fire him, but I probably would fire him anyway because, well, i heard that something bad happened that I can't talk about, but it is BIG, very very big that is might be classified, so classified that even I can't talk about it, so you know it must be pretty bad, so I might have to fire him, even if I don't want to fire him, but somebody has to make America Great Again, so well, we'll see. I'll make a decision very soon. BTW, I won the election...."

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Trumps been back several hours. I can't find if that was the plan.
  • Independent
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    Looking at the possible future of Trump, some experts are afraid he will escape judgement. A typical example is the FL State governor Scott. He got away with millions which he stole from his job at hospitals; he claimed "the fifth" about 10 times and got away with it while his buddy's got long jail times. With Trump I think it will move in the same direction. For his family he can easily "pardon" them. Like it was said on the site he's either "teflon" or "jello"; considering all the "money laundering" he has done over time , he should have been in jail way before he got nominated. I get the strong feeling that the "teflon" thing will work again for a long time.
  • Independent
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Trumps been back several hours. I can't find if that was the plan.
    Chet, Trump never has had a "plan"; he does whatever pops up in his fat head.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Trump's desire to fire Mueller is just one of the many reasons for his impeachment. An article in this morning's New York Times listed the other 9 reasons. Realistically, I don't see Congress passing a motion to impeach Trump. Far more likely is that Mueller will dredge up enough damaging evidence that Trump will be forced to resign, after being encouraged to do so by a few of the sensible Republicans that still exist (Lindsey Graham, Jeff Flake, John McCain etc).

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/28/opinion/impeachment-donald-trump.html?ref=todayspaper

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Another possibility exists that I was not aware of until this morning was published by the Washington Post this morning:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/01/29/is-trump-a-greater-threat-than-nixon-heres-the-big-danger-ahead/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-c%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.ccab4a3daa6b

    Representative Devin Nunes has released a memo that was very critical of the FBI, essentially accusing the department for using "deep state" strategies to remove Trump. So far, the memo has not been made public, but Trump would like it released. If that happens, it could give him grounds to fire Rod Rosenstein for "inadequate supervision" of the investigation, allowing him to appoint a loyalist who would work to undermine Mueller, even if Mueller didn't get fired (which is STILL a possibility).

    I agree with the author.

    Trump is FAR worst than Nixon.

  • Independent
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    Guy, excellent pieces. It is sad but this country is in bad shape related to governing and everything else. so as long as these clowns "govern"? nothing will be normal; "chaos" is here to stay.
  • Independent
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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    Another possibility exists that I was not aware of until this morning was published by the Washington Post this morning:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/01/29/is-trump-a-greater-threat-than-nixon-heres-the-big-danger-ahead/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-c%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.ccab4a3daa6b

    Representative Devin Nunes has released a memo that was very critical of the FBI, essentially accusing the department for using "deep state" strategies to remove Trump. So far, the memo has not been made public, but Trump would like it released. If that happens, it could give him grounds to fire Rod Rosenstein for "inadequate supervision" of the investigation, allowing him to appoint a loyalist who would work to undermine Mueller, even if Mueller didn't get fired (which is STILL a possibility).

    I agree with the author.

    Trump is FAR worst than Nixon.

    As is the Republican Party. They had some morals when Nixon was president. They have none now. Flake, McCain and others lacked the balls to say or do anything as long as they would run for re-election. Now that they are retiring they open their mouths. Gutless turds, the lot of them.