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What the Democratic Party needs.

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt said:

    "Wow you sure are full of "demands". Is that how you view the Democratic Party's role...demand, demand, demand?"

    Schmidt, I spoke to a couple that borrowed $2600 in a loan called a speedy loan. I worked out the payments and in three years they will pay back $14,000. That is what the Democratic Party has done for their constituency. Allowed business to redicule usury laws and abuse the lower classes. Yes I say demand because lawmakers break their backs giving every consideration to the .001 while stepping on the backs of the lower class to do it. The USA is completely misaligned in maintaining a country for people. Everyday more money and services are denied to the lower class while enabling more money to flow to the top. Demand is the operative word when an entire class of people is fighting to stay alive.

  • Independent
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    Chet, that is what you get if you get rid of "regulations". Trump has in one year more "deregulated" than all Presidents have "regulated" Just read about a huge waste spill on the coast; also from an oil rig. Thank you Trump.
  • Center Left
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    What the Democratic party needs is enthusiasm. We have no voice. We have a web address but that's weak. You asked what ? All of the answers are at www. No person just a web address.

    Republicans are making our path as easy as possible and we're going to squander the golden opportunity. All because nobody could figure out how to communicate to those not already on board.

    You would surely think someone would figure it all out.

    Trump says stupid shit daily. We say nothing except when Mr. Perez makes it onto television every 9th day.

    Ultimately it will be too little too late.

  • Independent
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    TJ Wrote:

    What the Democratic party needs is enthusiasm. We have no voice. We have a web address but that's weak. You asked what ? All of the answers are at www. No person just a web address.

    Republicans are making our path as easy as possible and we're going to squander the golden opportunity. All because nobody could figure out how to communicate to those not already on board.

    You would surely think someone would figure it all out.

    Trump says stupid shit daily. We say nothing except when Mr. Perez makes it onto television every 9th day.

    Ultimately it will be too little too late.

    Yes T.J. my feelings exactly. Even with the "shutdown" there was no unity in the party. This way you will always loose. Let alone an solid way to "negotiate" by not not giving away the store when you are at the beginning of any negotiations. I had many negotiation courses as well lots of experience in dealing and wheeling all over the world, but wonder if people like Schumer had such experience. I've got a feeling that in the government they are not used to the "mafia" way of dealing as Trump does.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Schmidt said:

    "Wow you sure are full of "demands". Is that how you view the Democratic Party's role...demand, demand, demand?"

    Schmidt, I spoke to a couple that borrowed $2600 in a loan called a speedy loan. I worked out the payments and in three years they will pay back $14,000. That is what the Democratic Party has done for their constituency. Allowed business to redicule usury laws and abuse the lower classes. Yes I say demand because lawmakers break their backs giving every consideration to the .001 while stepping on the backs of the lower class to do it. The USA is completely misaligned in maintaining a country for people. Everyday more money and services are denied to the lower class while enabling more money to flow to the top. Demand is the operative word when an entire class of people is fighting to stay alive.

    Chet -- I do not disagree with you regarding the inequality that has evolved in our democracy over decades. The country needs a course correction to ultimately provide more equality in income and wealth to those less fortunate. It certainly starts with education opportunities, but it also includes health care as well as decent wages. As I wrote in another post in the thread, what does it mean to make America great again, the shift in the inequality started some 40-50 years ago with the advent of the Lewis Powell doctrine in which he laid out a capitalist plan to make the country great through private enterprise. Since then every Republican president has slowly shifted the curve to favor the plutocrats. Some were big jump shifts (Reagan and Bush tax cuts for the rich and corporations at the expense of spending programs for the poor and middle class), whereas others have been a slow whittling away of the gains under Roosevelt. Trump is just the latest Republican president to push the plutocracy ideology.

    Where we differ is that you want change seemingly overnight, and do not hesitate to place blame, more on Democrats than Republicans. You can get up on the podium and shout your demands until you are blue in the face, but it will not get you anywhere. In fact just the opposite as it further drives a wedge through the Democratic Party dividing it into factions, exactly as intended by the plutocrats driving the Republican Party. The plutocrats love it when Democrats play the "blame game" blaming each other while they quietly work to undo regulations that Democratic presidents fought so hard for.

    I agree with many of your objectives for equality. Where we differ is how to achieve those objectives. As a realist I can understand that we didn't get where we are in a year or two. We got here because of decades of complacency and ceding the messaging to the plutocrats, and allowing cultural issues to divide us rather than pushing economic issues that really can make a difference. Yes, I assign much of that blame to Democrats who allow and actually get caught up more in the cultural issues that seem to define campaigns giving economic issues a back seat.

    It is happening now as we focus more on Trump's shortcomings, especially his apparent racism, rather than driving how the economic issues will affect everyone more. If we make the elections all about race or religious issues such as abortion, then we will never connect with the white middle class voters who left the party.

    We certainly need a course correction but like the Titanic, we cannot turn on a dime.

    My opinion...

  • Independent
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    Yes Schmidt, I guess you are right related to the Titanic; we are heading straight for the iceberg due to a "mental" captain.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt, As I have said the Democratic Party like drunken sailors on leave wasted the WWII Peace Bonus. As you pointed out the party got involved in a lot on side issues. A party represents people, Democratic lower class, Republican Upper Class. While the Democratic Party spread itself thin supporting any cause that came up, the Republicans focused on their constituents and passed every possible law possible to make self interests their objective. And they created dynasties to last a thousand years. All at the cost of jobs and a healthy living for the poor. And they still could have had it all and still kept the prospering. Your position to maintain the status quo and to try and keep the party alive without change is suicidal. You have got to realize how bad it is getting. I just left Wal-Mart and there were 7 beggars at the exit. That is abominable. You mention the change for the worst under Republican Presidents but the worst of the worst happened during the Clinton years: Graham/Leach/Bliley -----CFMA----Ripping The Heart Out OF WELFARE. Got to change now and drastically.

  • Center Left
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    Seriously ?

    New lows

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    The Democratic Party is stumbling along under the guise of status quo. They don't care what happens to the people. All they know is what they know so they are sticking to it hping to keep their jobs and positions. It is time for the Democratic Party to give up the status quo and start working for the lower classes. Helping the lower classes is the exact opposite of trickle down. If the lower class gets better paying jobs prosperity will take off and it will be better for everybody even the .001 ! The only thing holding the lower classes back is class discrimination. The upper classes would rather see the lower classes starve, suffer and die than to open the financing for new industries. There is nothing to stop progress and prosperity except meanness. The .001 could make just as much money from factories as it could gambling so why doesn't it happen???
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt said:

    "We certainly need a course correction but like the Titanic, we cannot turn on a dime.

    My opinion..."

    Right but we could at least sound the alarm and start the turn.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Schmidt said:

    "We certainly need a course correction but like the Titanic, we cannot turn on a dime.

    My opinion..."

    Right but we could at least sound the alarm and start the turn.

    Chet, the alarm is broken , because of no "maintenance", also the "crew" is "deaf" and "drunk" and are playing with the "hookers" on board . If it would be a Navy ship instead of the Titanic it would likely hit an oil tanker on the way to N. Korea.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: The Democratic Party is stumbling along under the guise of status quo. They don't care what happens to the people. All they know is what they know so they are sticking to it hping to keep their jobs and positions. It is time for the Democratic Party to give up the status quo and start working for the lower classes. Helping the lower classes is the exact opposite of trickle down. If the lower class gets better paying jobs prosperity will take off and it will be better for everybody even the .001 ! The only thing holding the lower classes back is class discrimination. The upper classes would rather see the lower classes starve, suffer and die than to open the financing for new industries. There is nothing to stop progress and prosperity except meanness. The .001 could make just as much money from factories as it could gambling so why doesn't it happen???

    Wow Chet, you sound like a bitter man full of rage lashing out. Start thinking critically for a change and do your homework. The fact that you say Democrats "don't care what happens to people" is just plain bullshit. I am a Democrat and for me and thousands of my fellow Dems who have busted our asses knocking on doors pleading with people to come out and join our cause and vote for our fellow Dems, well your statement is just a big lie..."fake news". Why don't you criticize the Republicans for a change.

    And it would help if you knocked on doors and talked to some of your friends in the "lower classes" as you call them and tell them to vote for Democrats instead of Republicans. Do their homework instead of watching Fox News. When Democrats are the minority party they cannot make "demands" as you put it.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Here's some news Schmidt. Most voters don't study the issues and do their homework. Most people react. They reacted to FDR because he cared and made life better. Make life better and support will follow. You yourself said that things have deteriorated for the last 50 years. When I pointed out how they deteriorated you call me bitter. You opposed me when I called for the repeal of the CFMA. That is undoubtedly the worst most damaging piece of legislation ever passed. There is a majority consensus that it caused the 2008 collapse. What happened during the 8 Years Obama had to fix that? Nothing and all the same conditions are building again. Dodd/Frank did hardly anything and what little there is of it Trump is rolling more of if back. The reason we are in such vulnerable shape is because there was no party reaction to the dwindling conditions. People need something to capture their imaginations and talking them into voting is not the answer. They should want to vote because they see somebody caring about them. Nobody had to knock on doors to get support for FDR.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "busted our asses knocking on doors pleading with people to come out and join our cause and vote for our fellow Dems"

    You wouldn't have to do that if people had something to vote for.

    "Franklin Roosevelt defeats Herbert Hoover, 1932 (17.76% margin)"

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I don't make this up about the Democratic Party.

    How the Democrats Lost Touch on Trade - POLITICO Magazine

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