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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Trump made a lot of campaign promises. Here's another:

    “We’re going to win. We’re going to win so much. We’re going to win at trade, we’re going to win at the border. We’re going to win so much, you’re going to be so sick and tired of winning, you’re going to come to me and go ‘Please, please, we can’t win anymore.’ You’ve heard this one. You’ll say ‘Please, Mr. President, we beg you sir, we don’t want to win anymore. It’s too much. It’s not fair to everybody else.’” Trump said. “And I’m going to say ‘I’m sorry, but we’re going to keep winning, winning, winning, We’re going to make America great again.” -- Donald Trump at Billings rally, May 26, 2016

    Well it's easy to "win" when your party has control of all three branches of government. But now, Mr. President, you and your endless lies are losing to Nancy Pelosi, a woman...a girl! How does that grab you?

  • Liberal Democrat
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    While we're discussing all of these other subjects in this thread, I feel it necessary to remind people that people and their families (government workers) are becoming the people who are being used as scapegoats for trump and his administration.

    I watched MSM video clips yesterday and the day before of how government workers are worried about making house or rent payments, how they're worried about putting food on the table, how are they going to make their car payments, and the list goes on. They were in tears and genuinely afraid of losing everything they've worked for. If I were sure, I'd have to say the GOP and trump are trying to bust up the federal worker's union/s.

    Some you people using this forum are absolutely correct in stating that trump doesn't give a fuck about how people are suffering under his policies. It's too bad Nancy just can't get up and slap him in the face and yell at him to wake the fuck up. He acted like a 5 year old child who was told he can't have that Milkyway bar today by storming out of a negotiating session like a spoiled brat.

    I know this shutdown is really hurting people, but at the same time, I hope the democrats hold their ground. Pence told reporters that Schumer and Pelosi refuse to negotiate, which is a fucking lie. Some prominent democrat needs to bitch slap him too, IMO.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    The folks on CNN were saying this afternoon that Trump was acting like a 3 year old. The problem here is that he was a millionaire by the time he was 3, and few people have ever said "no" to him.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Washington Post: Coast Guard families told they can have garage sales to cope with government shutdown

    "Employees of the U.S. Coast Guard who are facing a long U.S. government shutdown just received a suggestion: To get by without pay, consider holding a garage sale, babysitting, dog-walking or serving as a “mystery shopper.”

    "The suggestions were part of a five-page tip sheet published by the Coast Guard Support Program, an employee-assistance arm of the service often known as CG SUPRT. It is designated to offer Coast Guard members help with mental-health issues or other concerns about their lives, including financial wellness.

    “Bankruptcy is a last option,” the document said."

    After the Washington Post asked the Coast Guard about the tip sheet, the Coast Guard removed it from their website. I don't suppose they were embarrassed. Huh.

  • Independent
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    that guy in AZ Wrote: The folks on CNN were saying this afternoon that Trump was acting like a 3 year old. The problem here is that he was a millionaire by the time he was 3, and few people have ever said "no" to him.
    Arizona, yes this whole family is a bunch of spoiled brats; indeed he does not know the word "no" Daddy always gave him money. How can a country elect such person to be President? Answer, by having an stupid corrupt election system with billions of money and lobbyists as well uneducated people and incompetence, to corrupt it even more. On top of that no mandatory by law "operating manual" which defines strict limits to presidential "powers". YES this is an banana republic all the way.
  • Independent
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    Trump's instincts are telling him to hold out indefinitely but he is getting pressure from Republican leaders to (settle) by calling a national emergency to build the wall, and and let the courts settle it many months from now, possibility into 2020 when it could become a big election issue.

    He emotionally wants to break the back of the entire Democratic party, and this is the best shot he as had so far; hold out for 100% of his demands, and possibly get even concession. (Trump asks himself: What would Putin do if he were president?")

    If Democrats were to agree tomorrow to 100%, he would double down and increase his demands to over 25 billion for his concrete wall. His instincts are go for unconditional surrender not only by the Democrats, but all Republicans that are not 100% onboard. Everybody needs to fall inline and shut the F***K up. He wants to bet everything, and see if the Democrats, Republicans, and the entire country are willing to match his high stake bet for keeping the country shut down indefinitely. Symbolic Question: At one point do you concede when someone puts a gun to your child's head? Do you call his bluff and find out if he is willing to go as far as pull the trigger? Trump is betting Democrats will always concede when the stakes are extreme, so he never has to answer the question if he would actually pull the trigger; the stakes are too high for anybody to call his bluff, so they fold.

    However, he might still back down (retreat) by Friday if he thinks re-opening the government is a step in the right direction to an even bigger show down. I think is very possible he will agree to back down for now, but it only means that next time he will increase the stakes even higher than a government shutdown. Who knows what that might be, but you can bet if he re-opens the government, within another couple of months he will create an even bigger crisis.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Washington Post: Coast Guard families told they can have garage sales to cope with government shutdown

    "Employees of the U.S. Coast Guard who are facing a long U.S. government shutdown just received a suggestion: To get by without pay, consider holding a garage sale, babysitting, dog-walking or serving as a “mystery shopper.”

    So bizarre. Maybe they could add:

    • If you're children are starving, plant a vegetable garden.
    • If you run out of money, sell your house.
    • If you're wife leaves you, goto Match.com
    • If you are an alcoholic, switch to heroin because its cheaper
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Last night on one of the talk shows a compilation of his comments showed him to look like a mental deviate. He is challenging reporters with questions about what they would do like it is a debate. Then he uses the power of the office to turn it from a debate to a lecture about what the reporters don't know and how smart he is. Total dctator. Somebody needs to educate the reporters into not engaging him and giving him a chance to show dominance. Trump is breaking down. At one point he ridiculed a reporter about her concrete question acting like he never said it would be a concrete wall. Telling her about how much better steel is. Then a clip with him and his initial concrete wall proposal. The guy is an unchallenged billionaire.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Trump is certainly all over the place on the wall showing his desperation. However, he is not unchallenged -- Nancy Pelosi is calling out his lies. Pelosi will win. Trump will lose to a girl!
  • Liberal Democrat
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    It's Saturday morning and the Trump Shutdown over Trump's Vanity Wall is now the longest in history. The man-child is looking at options since that darn Nancy Pelosi will not give in. Lindsay Graham is encouraging Trump to declare a national emergency NOW.

    However, if Trump does declare a national emergency, Nancy Pelosi and the Dems will bring a lawsuit tied to the funding for the wall. Whatever source of funds Trump tries to divert to his wall building, Pelosi will challenge it in the courts. At the best, it might just serve as a face saving action for Trump depending on how Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter approve or disapprove. Trump should get clearance from them ahead of time.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    It's Saturday morning and the Trump Shutdown over Trump's Vanity Wall is now the longest in history. The man-child is looking at options since that darn Nancy Pelosi will not give in. Lindsay Graham is encouraging Trump to declare a national emergency NOW.

    However, if Trump does declare a national emergency, Nancy Pelosi and the Dems will bring a lawsuit tied to the funding for the wall. Whatever source of funds Trump tries to divert to his wall building, Pelosi will challenge it in the courts. At the best, it might just serve as a face saving action for Trump depending on how Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter approve or disapprove. Trump should get clearance from them ahead of time.

    Schmidt and others, I hope you finally admit that this country is an banana republic all the way. The laughing stock of the world by now.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch -- No I do not admit that. Not when more than half the country is opposed to Trump. In my view, we are in the midst of a "course correction" where the captain of the ship and his immediate crew have not yet got the word. Meanwhile Nancy Pelosi and the Dems are finding ways to maneuver the ship through troubled waters, while the captain flounders around the rolling deck yelling out obscenities to the birds.

    When Mueller finishes his work, justice will be served, and Trump in his orange jumpsuit will be taken on a rowboat to shore.

    Perhaps wishful thinking on my part, but I have not given up on our democracy just because a con man has duped 61 million American people.

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    nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-...

    Rather than start another thread, I shall add a link to today's bombshell that the FBI opened an investigation on Trump immediately after the firing of Comey. Not just because of the firing, but because all the events that lead up to it. In other words, the FBI was concerned about Trump and the Trump campaign's links to Russia before Trump fired Comey.

    Boy, if Trump has an undiscovered back channel to Russia; not necessarily a phone or internet, just some method to pass untraceable messages, it is highly likely Putin has been advising Trump on may issues. So, if we follow this conspiracy theory to its logical conclusion, the big question to ponder is Putin's recommendation to Trump about the shutdown. My best guess would be something like this:

    Putin to Trump: "Don't re-reopen the government. Break the backs of the entire country. They will ultimately give you 100% of everything. And they won't dare challenge you ever again if you are convinced you are willing to take the entire country off the cliff. You won't have to go that far, they just need to believe you will."

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote:

    It's Saturday morning and the Trump Shutdown over Trump's Vanity Wall is now the longest in history. The man-child is looking at options since that darn Nancy Pelosi will not give in. Lindsay Graham is encouraging Trump to declare a national emergency NOW.

    However, if Trump does declare a national emergency, Nancy Pelosi and the Dems will bring a lawsuit tied to the funding for the wall. Whatever source of funds Trump tries to divert to his wall building, Pelosi will challenge it in the courts. At the best, it might just serve as a face saving action for Trump depending on how Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter approve or disapprove. Trump should get clearance from them ahead of time.

    Schmidt and others, I hope you finally admit that this country is an banana republic all the way. The laughing stock of the world by now.
    Embarrassing to say the least. Just as illegal as it is for private citizens to own machine guns and nuclear weapons and fully armed fighter jets so should it be illegal to accumulate so much money that citizens can buy the power to destroy a country or civilization. An unlimited access to power is no justification to have that power.
  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Dutch -- No I do not admit that. Not when more than half the country is opposed to Trump. In my view, we are in the midst of a "course correction" where the captain of the ship and his immediate crew have not yet got the word. Meanwhile Nancy Pelosi and the Dems are finding ways to maneuver the ship through troubled waters, while the captain flounders around the rolling deck yelling out obscenities to the birds.

    When Mueller finishes his work, justice will be served, and Trump in his orange jumpsuit will be taken on a rowboat to shore.

    Perhaps wishful thinking on my part, but I have not given up on our democracy just because a con man has duped 61 million American people.

    Yes Schmidt, wishful thinking indeed. Do you honestly believe that Trump and his family ever will end up in "orange jumpsuits" ? You may as well believe in the coming of "jesus" in his "chalaba" having dinner at Trump Tower.

    Sorry, looking at all the "forever discussions" and "twist and turn" culture by a zillion lawyers (and Guiliani as well the 17 lawyers Trump hired) here, then I loose hope that ever this country gets "normal" again. Amen