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  • Liberal Democrat
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    When you don't have the votes, you don't have the votes. That's reality. We are in this predicament because so many liberals did not support Hillary Clinton in 2016. That's another reality.

    Elections have consequences, and we are seeing the consequence of how people chose to express their emotions in 2016. Now they are asking the minority party to act like they are the ruling majority party. It doesn't work that way.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    When you don't have the votes, you don't have the votes. That's reality. We are in this predicament because so many liberals did not support Hillary Clinton in 2016. That's another reality.

    Elections have consequences, and we are seeing the consequence of how people chose to express their emotions in 2016. Now they are asking the minority party to act like they are the ruling majority party. It doesn't work that way.

    If you are the minority party, that means you have to fight 10 times harder. The ruling party is already in turmoil; take advantage of that; what is Perez doing anyway. Booker is the only one who shows some guts.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: If you are the minority party, that means you have to fight 10 times harder. The ruling party is already in turmoil; take advantage of that; what is Perez doing anyway. Booker is the only one who shows some guts.

    It's not that simple. The minority party can fight all they want, but they are still the minority. The Democrats hold absolutely zero power and they hold absolutely zero power, as Schmidt said, because so many so called Democrats sat on their ass in 2016. We will live with their decision for the next three years at a minimum, so I caution you to get used to being angry that Democrats aren't getting what we want for the foreseeable future. Elections have consequences.

    I'm of the opinion that this three week deal is actually a pretty decent victory for Democrats. CHIP is no longer a bargaining chip (no pun intended) for Republicans and Democrats extracted a promise from McConnell from the well of the Senate to move forward with DACA legislation in the next three weeks. Democrats can always shut down the government again if McConnell doesn't follow through and this time millions of poor children's health coverage won't be hanging in the balance.

    We have to be realistic, Dutch. If Democrats actually want to get a deal with DACA then we have to play chess and not checkers. CHIP is now funded. Next step is DACA. Think about the bigger picture.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: If you are the minority party, that means you have to fight 10 times harder. The ruling party is already in turmoil; take advantage of that; what is Perez doing anyway. Booker is the only one who shows some guts.

    It's not that simple. The minority party can fight all they want, but they are still the minority. The Democrats hold absolutely zero power and they hold absolutely zero power, as Schmidt said, because so many so called Democrats sat on their ass in 2016. We will live with their decision for the next three years at a minimum, so I caution you to get used to being angry that Democrats aren't getting what we want for the foreseeable future. Elections have consequences.

    I'm of the opinion that this three week deal is actually a pretty decent victory for Democrats. CHIP is no longer a bargaining chip (no pun intended) for Republicans and Democrats extracted a promise from McConnell from the well of the Senate to move forward with DACA legislation in the next three weeks. Democrats can always shut down the government again if McConnell doesn't follow through and this time millions of poor children's health coverage won't be hanging in the balance.

    We have to be realistic, Dutch. If Democrats actually want to get a deal with DACA then we have to play chess and not checkers. CHIP is now funded. Next step is DACA. Think about the bigger picture.

    Yes Jared; I always look at the "big" picture. Indeed you've got to play "chess"; however I've got the feeling that Schumer never learned to negotiate; he "sold" everything already before anything started and promised Trump his stupid "wall".

    Thus I'm not at all impressed by the Dem's performance and I'm not the only one.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I’m on Jared and Schmidt’s side for first time in long while.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Carlitos Wrote: I’m on Jared and Schmidt’s side for first time in long while.
    Minority party status maintaining status quo requiring concessions to stay relevant?
  • Liberal Democrat
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    We are lucky to just hold the status quo when Republicans hold all three branches of government. The minority party can just try to lessen the impact of all of Trump's "taking our country back to pre-Obama days", but they simply do not have the votes to stop Trump's carnage. When Democrats are divided and don't vote or vote instead for a 3rd party candidate or in some cases in the Rust Belt and coal mining states ignorantly vote for Trump, then this is what we get.

    "Elections have consequences." -- Barack Obama

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    We are lucky to just hold the status quo when Republicans hold all three branches of government. The minority party can just try to lessen the impact of all of Trump's "taking our country back to pre-Obama days", but they simply do not have the votes to stop Trump's carnage. When Democrats are divided and don't vote or vote instead for a 3rd party candidate or in some cases in the Rust Belt and coal mining states ignorantly vote for Trump, then this is what we get.

    "Elections have consequences." -- Barack Obama

    Obama got it wrong; "the wrong election laws have consequences" Votes should count; not the "electoral college" corrupted manipulation. Hillary "won" with close to 3 million votes more; if "votes" only would have been counted.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    He's doing it again, threatening a gov't shutdown if he doesn't get funding for his wall, the one Mexico is supposed to pay for. It's his ongoing war on brown people.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    History is repeating itself, another threat of a gov't. shutdown. This is what taxpayers are getting from the people we pay so well to do a job. And btw, congressional members receive free healthcare, while most of America is struggling.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    At this point, it looks like a government shutdown 4 days before Christmas is inevitable. Apparently a number of lame duck legislators are not even showing up to vote, which means that there won't be enough votes to get the funding bill passed, with or without another $5 billion for Trump's wet dream. Further complicating the process is the fact that Trump is planning to fly to Florida on Friday for a 16 day vacation at Mar-A-Lago, which certainly has to qualify as "bad optics".

    He's already gone on record that he would wear the mantle of the shutdown AND now he's taking an extended vacation?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/16/us/politics/congress-trump-shutdown.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    At this point, it looks like a government shutdown 4 days before Christmas is inevitable. Apparently a number of lame duck legislators are not even showing up to vote, which means that there won't be enough votes to get the funding bill passed, with or without another $5 billion for Trump's wet dream. Further complicating the process is the fact that Trump is planning to fly to Florida on Friday for a 16 day vacation at Mar-A-Lago, which certainly has to qualify as "bad optics".

    He's already gone on record that he would wear the mantle of the shutdown AND now he's taking an extended vacation?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/16/us/politics/congress-trump-shutdown.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

    Arizona, If you add up all the things going on now, you will get an huge headache; "stockmarket down the drain, for 2018 no gain whatsoever, 71% of the people think it is the "tariffs" doing that, Mueller still working , but not having any real effect, "budget" will be another add on to the rising deficit; border an total disaster ; Yemen an disaster, N.Korea an disaster, Iran an disaster, Saudia an disaster , global warming an disaster, EU and Britain in turmoil, W.H. positions an disaster, McConnell, Ryan, Grassley, Orin Hatch, Miller, Mulvany, Jordan and don't forget Ross, Meadows, Navarro which all are GOP indoctrinated disasters, California fires disaster, Guns and thousands dead because of guns an disaster, all our "weak" non-laws an disaster, oversight on the "idiot" an disaster, and so on and on. What else you want to know about this banana republic? An "shut down" is peanuts if you look at the total picture.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Politico: Trump warns of shutdown that could last 'a very long time'

    "President Donald Trump warned Friday that “there will be a shutdown that will last for a very long time” if the Senate fails to pass a spending bill that includes border wall funding, laying the groundwork to blame Democrats for a pre-Christmas shutdown that would shutter wide swaths of the government."

    What does Trump have to lose with a long shutdown? Nothing. His base of supporters will be solidly behind him, and Republicans and Fox News will do what they always do...blame Democrats, especially Nancy Pelosi.

    Trump has wanted this shutdown for a long time. He wants a fight.

    Some have suggested that the wall is more of the excuse for the fight (shutdown), rather than the other way around. If Dems had come to some compromise on the wall months ago, he would have found something else in the budget to fight about.

    It looks like he takes sadistic pleasure in causing pain to people while he demonstrates his "power".

    Oh and it deflects the media attention away from his many legal problems.

  • Independent
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    Trump: "Call my buff. How many American people do you think I am willing to sacrifice before you concede to my demands. Let's start counting right now!"
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    Yes, I agree Trump is not about creating deals, and never has been. He is all about creating confrontation and dysfunction because its where he is the strongest and others are at their weakest. Figuratively speaking in terms Trump supporters can understand, destroying things and people is what makes him get hard.

    So anybody here in this forum want to predict how this shut down will get resolved? Will Trump hold out until he gets 5 billion and breaks the backs of both Reps and Dems? Or will his settle for something else and spin it as victory? It may come down to if Fox and Friends give a deal a thumbs up\down, or Putin gives him a call and tells Trump to settle. Maybe he'll flip a coin, hell who knows what this MF might do. I swear its like trying to predict how a 2-3 year old is going to behave throughout the day; its a fantastic day if your not totally exhausted by the end of the day.