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  • Independent
    Washington
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    I thought Schumer's entire speech on the floor the Senate we was well stated. He went to the WH, trump agreed to a deal where trump got some, but not all of what he wanted, in exchange for some kind of DACA deal. Schumer left the WH very confident, only to find out 1-2 hours later trump backed out and was not willing to talk further.

    trump is now expecting his demands be accepted unconditionally or the government can stay closed until democrats, one by one, cross over and vote to give him everything he wants; it is a union breaker tactic. Dems will stay unified, but for how long?

    Extremists are loving it. They want to government to stay closed for as long as possible. This is their time. They know they can win by keeping the government closed until the get 100% of what they want. They lose nothing by keeping the government shutdown so why should they settle for anything less than 100%.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    The real cause is Miller he's the "Himmler" in these times:

    foto van Pam Cooke.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Tucson, AZ
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    As Schmidt has discovered, the Washington Post has published some great articles about this topic, and the one that was published this morning REALLY spotlights the guy who is THE most responsible for the shutdown:

    washingtonpost.com/politics/stephen-mil...

    (I noticed that Dutch came to the same conclusion earlier this morning).

    On Sunday, Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) — whose doomed immigration compromise with Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) was the target of that Trump tirade in the Oval Office — blasted Miller as a primary reason for the continuing standoff over border issues.

    If you saw the interview with Jake Tapper on CNN, you'll agree that Stephen Miller is a complete ass, and I am being very diplomatic when I use that term, since he deserves far worse.

    If you read Miller's bio on Wikipedia, you will discover where he got his crazy ideas.

    Prior to his current job, he was the communications director for Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions, who is famous for discriminating against black people.

    Prior to that, he was the press secretary to Michele (queen of crazy) Bachmann

    Before that, he was press secretary to Arizona Representative John Shadegg, who has a long history of being an obstructionist.

    Miller wrote Trump's inauguration speech , and was the chief architect of Trump's travel bans. As the Wiki article about him mentions, "he has, on multiple occasions, made false or unsubstantiated claims regarding public policy" which is EXACTLY what Trump does on a daily basis.

    Oddly enough, Miller was brought up in a liberal-leaning Jewish family in California. His mother;s family were IMMIGRANTS from Russia in the early part of the 20th century, and his great grandmother ONLY spoke Yiddish. His mother;s family eventually learned English, and became successful businessmen in Pennsylvania.

    One of the reasons that the NRA contributed $30 million to Trump's campaign is that Miller became a devout conservative after reading Wayne LaPierre's book, "Guns, Crime, and Freedom."

    The comments under "early life" reveal that fact that his conservative credentials go all the way back to high school.

    While at Duke, he did fundraising for white supremacist Richard Spencer.One of Miller's professors at Duke has stated that "Miller seemed to assume that if you disagreed with him, you were either malevolent or stupid about your thinking - incredibly intolerant."

    To sum this guy up, this buy has been a complete a**hole most of his life. Then again, so has Trump.

  • Independent
    Washington
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    IMHO, Miller is behind most of trump tweets. Miller either directly writes them, or he feeds trump the words.
  • Independent
    Washington
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    Did the democrats strike a good deal to keep the government open?

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Colorado Springs, CO
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    The Senate has voted to reopen the government after a bi-partisan group of 30 Senators got together and formulated an understanding on the DACA issue and how it will be dealt with by the Senate by February 8th. Mitch McConnell was not a part of that process but acquiesced to the group's path forward. He made a very short statement, but Chuck Schumer led off with a well articulated reasoning for Democrats to support the vote to reopen. It was left to Dick Durbin to address the Dreamers directly on what is happening and how they will not be lost in the process. I thought they both did well.

    Absent the whole weekend from the process was any leadership from Donald Trump. I had visions of him lying in bed watching TV and pouting about the fact that he couldn't be in Mar-a-Lago hobnobbing it with his big donor class and celebrating his one year anniversary of his inauguration.

    Of course we will have to wait to see how Trump spins the process. The real work occurs in the next three weeks on DACA, but my expectations remain low. Even if the Senate can come to agreement, the House is a different kettle full of anti-immigrant haters who can block any legislation by simply requiring the Hastert Rule be enforced.

  • Independent
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    One thing the WH is hinting at for DACA: Yes they can stay indefinitely, but they can never become US citizens, such they'll never be able to vote, can't own guns, must register as Alien, agree to be tracked by law enforcement, etc. In other words, treated like convicted criminals that remain on probation for their entire life.

    The political angle here is that the republicans know that it's likely that a very high percentage of dreamers would vote for democrats, so Republicans will never never allow them to become FULL citizens. trump's and his racist base can accept a deal where Dreamers remain second class citizens with less rights, and are not considered REAL Americans.... And don't be surprised if in the final bill it includes wording along this line: "American owned businesses can refuse to hire DACA recipients because DACA recipients have no constitutional rights"

  • Independent
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    Take note on how trump is handling this after an agreement has been reached. Continues to attack and insult as if an agreement wasn't reached.
  • Center Left
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    Based mostly on skepticism I expect our part of the wishbone to be much smaller than theirs.

    The corrupt president is a taker not a giver and incapable of compromise. We will see what the final details are. So far we have agreed upon a delay but Republicans will be selling it as a tactical win. I am not sure they are wrong.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    They got CHIP done for a fiscal year on the 2 week CR.

    If they don’t do a DACA fix by then, then we are back where we started.

    Probably a good move to re open govt. Not worth the drama.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Yes CHIP is now off the table for the next round on or before February 8th. That allows them to focus on DACA without the sideshow propaganda of CHIP. Remember 87 percent of Americans support DACA. Between now and February 8th, Dems need to run their own propaganda campaign....get Trump to participate...flatter him with the prospect of a "win" for him.

    Whatever DACA plan the Senate comes up with, Trump needs to publicly support it. That will then put pressure on Paul Ryan and the House to go along. The freedom caucus and Stephen Miller need to be marginalized. Easier said than done...

    The original DACA was owned by Obama. The new DACA II needs to have Trump's name on it...give him the credit for "saving the Dreamers".

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    The original DACA was owned by Obama. The new DACA II needs to have Trump's name on it...give him the credit for "saving the Dreamers".

    .... which maybe exactly why he ended DACA in the first place; end it so he could be the one who saved them. When he ended it, there was no need to do so other than he wanted to end it. Why start a forest fire, unless you plan to be the hero that saves the town?

    I truly hope I am very very wrong, because ATM I see perceive trump's base only settling for permanent status as non-citizens who have no constitutional rights (ie can't vote, have no political rights,etc). More-or-less second class citizens under the law; opening the door for further second class citizen laws at the state and local levels.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    The worst part of it will be that Trump gets his "wall" which means we will waste billions as well cost overruns on something which does not benefit anyone except the builder. How dumb can you get, Schumer is an awful negotiator.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    As expected we are seeing a lot of consternation from liberal/progressives that the Democrats caved...they have no back bone and such. Those are all emotional reactions that ignore the reality of the situation. David Leonhardt's opinion column in the New York Times pretty much echoes my sentiments. Government shutdowns seldom achieve their intended ends, and particular in this case, Trump is a master at controlling the media.

    I'm a realist...

    My opinion.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    As expected we are seeing a lot of consternation from liberal/progressives that the Democrats caved...they have no back bone and such. Those are all emotional reactions that ignore the reality of the situation. David Leonhardt's opinion column in the New York Times pretty much echoes my sentiments. Government shutdowns seldom achieve their intended ends, and particular in this case, Trump is a master at controlling the media.

    I'm a realist...

    My opinion.

    If you are a realist, then you should admit that Schumer sold the "bear" before he shot it. He visited "Putin" ( I mean Trump) and gave away the "store" already in the early phase. Ignorant and stupid. My opinion.