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I am over 90% confident a shut down will occur. Nearly all the signs are there. As has been discussed in other threads about who trump is as a person and what he is good at. He is a destroyer, not a builder. He is a divider, not a uniter. He thrives doing taking actions that cause things to get worse, not better. trump feels good about himself, feel he is successful when he has destroyed something, or caused a greater division in the country. He will shut down the government, and everything he says or does will try to keep it shut down for as long as possible. The government will only re-open when democrats and republicans marginalize trump and reach an agreement without him. When the government re-opens, trump will claim he, "the great deal maker", was sole person who made everything happen. This MF has to go! i truly hope our system takes care of the problem ASAP otherwise some nut job will handle it, turning trump into a matye for far right wing wackos.
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wwjd Wrote:I am over 90% confident a shut down will occur. Nearly all the signs are there. As has been discussed in other threads about who trump is as a person and what he is good at. He is a destroyer, not a builder. He is a divider, not a uniter. He thrives doing taking actions that cause things to get worse, not better. trump feels good about himself, feel he is successful when he has destroyed something, or caused a greater division in the country. He will shut down the government, and everything he says or does will try to keep it shut down for as long as possible. The government will only re-open when democrats and republicans marginalize trump and reach an agreement without him. When the government re-opens, trump will claim he, "the great deal maker", was sole person who made everything happen. This MF has to go! i truly hope our system takes care of the problem ASAP otherwise some nut job will handle it, turning trump into a matye for far right wing wackos. WWJD; good story; what is an " matye"? ha ha. A new type of Republican? However there is still a chance it does not happen the way you describe. Where are all the protest marches?
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Huffington Post: Here’s What Will Happen If The Government Shuts Down If the 2013 shutdown is an indicator of what happens in a shutdown, then we can expect: 850,000 federal workers would be furloughed. All national parks, zoos and monuments, as well as Smithsonian museums will close. Thousands of food inspection workers would be furloughed, including positions related to public health science and international programs that ensure that meat, poultry and egg products from foreign countries are safe. About 3/4 of the employees from the National Institutes of Health and two-thirds of employees from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention would be furloughed. Passport offices, small business loan offices, and IRS call centers would also shut down. Lots of smaller federal office would close. The effect on the economy could be in the order of $24 billion based on the 2013 shutdown. Why do all those? Trump wants it so he can blame Democrats. Maybe he'll even find a way to blame Obama.
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Getting back on topic, I watched the happenings last night leading to the shutdown including the speeches by McConnell and Shumer. It sure appears to me that this is a shutdown that Trump wanted, and that he thought he could profit from it politically by twisting the narrative and shifting the blame to Democrats. Two key observations: 1) Mitch McConnell indicated before all the fuss leading up to the shutdown, that he had no idea where Trump stood. 2) When Schumer met with Trump, Schumer capitulated by putting the border wall back on the table. Now I don't know what putting the border wall back on the table actually means, but I assume it means that Dems would allow the wall to be funded, at least in part, in return for an extension of DACA. Schumer indicated that he thought he had the basis of a deal, but that "deal" too became unglued somehow probably after Trump consulted with members of his right wing base who wants to deport all Dreamers. Or maybe DACA was never ever really on Trump's table. The way out of this mess is for McConnell to put another vote to the full Senate membership which includes DACA extensions, and some funds for a border wall. Let the Senate approve it, and then let Trump try veto it (assuming that the Freedom caucus in the House will not vote it down as well). My opinion.
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Schmidt Wrote:Getting back on topic, I watched the happenings last night leading to the shutdown including the speeches by McConnell and Shumer. It sure appears to me that this is a shutdown that Trump wanted, and that he thought he could profit from it politically by twisting the narrative and shifting the blame to Democrats. Two key observations: 1) Mitch McConnell indicated before all the fuss leading up to the shutdown, that he had no idea where Trump stood. 2) When Schumer met with Trump, Schumer capitulated by putting the border wall back on the table. Now I don't know what putting the border wall back on the table actually means, but I assume it means that Dems would allow the wall to be funded, at least in part, in return for an extension of DACA. Schumer indicated that he thought he had the basis of a deal, but that "deal" too became unglued somehow probably after Trump consulted with members of his right wing base who wants to deport all Dreamers. Or maybe DACA was never ever really on Trump's table. The way out of this mess is for McConnell to put another vote to the full Senate membership which includes DACA extensions, and some funds for a border wall. Let the Senate approve it, and then let Trump try veto it (assuming that the Freedom caucus in the House will not vote it down as well). My opinion. How is this something he wanted? He has been willing to work on the DACA, against the wishes of his base, mind you. This is, as will be trending on Twitter, a #SchumerShutdown.
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