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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Washington Post: Shutdown looms as Republicans seek short-term spending deal for government

    Congressional leaders cannot agree on a long term spending plan, so Republicans are again proposing a short term plan. The deadline is January 19th...that date also set from a previous short term spending plan. Democrats want any short term plan linked to extension of DACA, the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, a program that Trump has cancelled. A bi-partisan group of Senators indeed reached agreement on a DACA fix, but Trump has now gone back on his word that he would sign it. In other words, Trump is using his non-approval of a DACA renewal as a negotiating tactic to get what he wants.

    Dems were highly criticized in the last short term spending plan because it didn't include a DACA fix or an extension of the SCHIP (children's health care program). We will know by January 19th if a deal has been reached, but I'm thinking that the government will indeed shutdown. Republicans are rallying around Trump. Dems are digging in their heals.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt, I've said so many times that this country has its priority's wrong. The "military" or a "wall" should not have the priority; "humans" who live here should have the first priority. The same with "healthcare" or "social" services should be in the first place. Look at all the refugee's in Europe; sure it is an huge problem , but it is being dealt with in a positive way. Here they always start "backwards" starting with "Z" and ending at "A". Once a "problem" gets too big then they start dealing with it. "Cause" and "effect" is not taught here.
  • Strongly Liberal
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    This is another manufactured crisis. The fat idiot created the crisis with an executive order. All he has to do is reverse the order.

    Now it will cost us many billions if the government shuts down. It could lead to kayos it could lead to a collapse of the government . Is that what they want ? I believe it is. This war with Putin could get rough .

  • Independent
    Washington
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    I am over 90% confident a shut down will occur. Nearly all the signs are there.

    As has been discussed in other threads about who trump is as a person and what he is good at. He is a destroyer, not a builder. He is a divider, not a uniter. He thrives doing taking actions that cause things to get worse, not better. trump feels good about himself, feel he is successful when he has destroyed something, or caused a greater division in the country.

    He will shut down the government, and everything he says or does will try to keep it shut down for as long as possible. The government will only re-open when democrats and republicans marginalize trump and reach an agreement without him. When the government re-opens, trump will claim he, "the great deal maker", was sole person who made everything happen.

    This MF has to go! i truly hope our system takes care of the problem ASAP otherwise some nut job will handle it, turning trump into a matye for far right wing wackos.

  • Independent
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    wwjd Wrote:

    I am over 90% confident a shut down will occur. Nearly all the signs are there.

    As has been discussed in other threads about who trump is as a person and what he is good at. He is a destroyer, not a builder. He is a divider, not a uniter. He thrives doing taking actions that cause things to get worse, not better. trump feels good about himself, feel he is successful when he has destroyed something, or caused a greater division in the country.

    He will shut down the government, and everything he says or does will try to keep it shut down for as long as possible. The government will only re-open when democrats and republicans marginalize trump and reach an agreement without him. When the government re-opens, trump will claim he, "the great deal maker", was sole person who made everything happen.

    This MF has to go! i truly hope our system takes care of the problem ASAP otherwise some nut job will handle it, turning trump into a matye for far right wing wackos.

    WWJD; good story; what is an " matye"? ha ha. A new type of Republican? However there is still a chance it does not happen the way you describe. Where are all the protest marches?
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Huffington Post: Here’s What Will Happen If The Government Shuts Down

    If the 2013 shutdown is an indicator of what happens in a shutdown, then we can expect:

    850,000 federal workers would be furloughed.

    All national parks, zoos and monuments, as well as Smithsonian museums will close.

    Thousands of food inspection workers would be furloughed, including positions related to public health science and international programs that ensure that meat, poultry and egg products from foreign countries are safe.

    About 3/4 of the employees from the National Institutes of Health and two-thirds of employees from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention would be furloughed.

    Passport offices, small business loan offices, and IRS call centers would also shut down.

    Lots of smaller federal office would close.

    The effect on the economy could be in the order of $24 billion based on the 2013 shutdown.

    Why do all those? Trump wants it so he can blame Democrats. Maybe he'll even find a way to blame Obama.

  • Independent
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    Trump is a destroyer, shutting down the government is a form of destruction, or at the very least it causes problems to get worse.

    I don't say this in a hateful\insulting way. I'm stating this as (obvious) evaluation of who he is by nature and his skill set and lack of governing skill. It is like he has one tool, and its a hammer. He might be helpful if a problem can be solved with only using a hammer. Need a screwdriver, or a wrench, etc, he is of no help, he doesn't even know how to use those tools because those tools to not destroy things.

  • Independent
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    Don't forget what Trump cost us the taxpayer!! all his trips for his own pleasure as well his "rally's" have cost over one year even more than Obama spent in 8 years. The amount is now close to $100 million. Add the shut down, of all that money, then the ACA could have been fully funded as well other social projects. This guy is wasting our tax money in an huge way; but the congress keeps it mouth shut. On top of that people forget what all our wars and the military cost per day, as well the waste in the military and Pentagon. Yes, Trump is not my President. He is an useless lying ego tripper; not suited for any job. I wonder of whose money he's paying off all his "porno" girl outings.
  • Independent
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    During the last hour of Senate vote I switched and watched Fox News for a few minutes. They were calmly\rationally discussing the vote, reporting that the vote to keep the government open was about to fail.

    What was interesting was how they phrased things. They never never used the word "Dreamers" or DACA, they always referred to them as "Those Illegal Aliens". Clearly the Fox audience does not like Dreamers, and FOX News knows that when Dreamers are referenced, it needs to be done so in subtle ways that is insulting, demeaning, cruel, etc.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    One thing I do know about a lot of Trump supporters is he says things that resonates with them but they are also independent patriotic proud people. When and he will push them to support him instead of their country I bet they will be his worst nightmare.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Just as Trump assumes responsibility for everything good that has happened in his first year his legacy now is he couldn't keep the government running. Remember he campaigned as the deal maker, not the quitter. He owns the shutdown.

  • Independent
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    Kekistani Emissary Wrote:

    We dislike democrats engaging is quasi-treason and calling it compassion, far less than those illegal aliens. Your Orwellian terminology is also increasingly transparent.

    I have no idea what any of that means, but i suspect the intent is to say something that sounds intriguing, but has no meaning whatsoever. aka it is 100% creative BS. :)

  • Liberal Democrat
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    I would ignore this so called "kekistani emissary". A quick browse of the internet will show that kekistani's have been banned from other websites...a bunch of racist wackos pretending to have their own country. They will be banned from this website as well.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Getting back on topic, I watched the happenings last night leading to the shutdown including the speeches by McConnell and Shumer. It sure appears to me that this is a shutdown that Trump wanted, and that he thought he could profit from it politically by twisting the narrative and shifting the blame to Democrats.

    Two key observations: 1) Mitch McConnell indicated before all the fuss leading up to the shutdown, that he had no idea where Trump stood. 2) When Schumer met with Trump, Schumer capitulated by putting the border wall back on the table. Now I don't know what putting the border wall back on the table actually means, but I assume it means that Dems would allow the wall to be funded, at least in part, in return for an extension of DACA. Schumer indicated that he thought he had the basis of a deal, but that "deal" too became unglued somehow probably after Trump consulted with members of his right wing base who wants to deport all Dreamers. Or maybe DACA was never ever really on Trump's table.

    The way out of this mess is for McConnell to put another vote to the full Senate membership which includes DACA extensions, and some funds for a border wall. Let the Senate approve it, and then let Trump try veto it (assuming that the Freedom caucus in the House will not vote it down as well).

    My opinion.

  • Center-Right Republican
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Getting back on topic, I watched the happenings last night leading to the shutdown including the speeches by McConnell and Shumer. It sure appears to me that this is a shutdown that Trump wanted, and that he thought he could profit from it politically by twisting the narrative and shifting the blame to Democrats.

    Two key observations: 1) Mitch McConnell indicated before all the fuss leading up to the shutdown, that he had no idea where Trump stood. 2) When Schumer met with Trump, Schumer capitulated by putting the border wall back on the table. Now I don't know what putting the border wall back on the table actually means, but I assume it means that Dems would allow the wall to be funded, at least in part, in return for an extension of DACA. Schumer indicated that he thought he had the basis of a deal, but that "deal" too became unglued somehow probably after Trump consulted with members of his right wing base who wants to deport all Dreamers. Or maybe DACA was never ever really on Trump's table.

    The way out of this mess is for McConnell to put another vote to the full Senate membership which includes DACA extensions, and some funds for a border wall. Let the Senate approve it, and then let Trump try veto it (assuming that the Freedom caucus in the House will not vote it down as well).

    My opinion.

    How is this something he wanted? He has been willing to work on the DACA, against the wishes of his base, mind you. This is, as will be trending on Twitter, a #SchumerShutdown.