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What does it mean to "Make America Great Again"?

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  • Independent
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    I am asking a sincere question because I truly don't understand what is meant by "Make American Great Again?"

    OK, for the most part its just a political slogan that's objective is to give trump's base something to rally behind as if it's a flag, but setting aside the political marketing BS and slogan, what do they mean by "Making America Great Again?"... do they want go back to the 80s? or got back further to coal mining employment was at its peek (the 1920s). Or even further, when minorities never dared to speak up for themselves because they knew their homes would be burned down that very day.

    The only tangible item that I can think of is the rolling back regulations, but is that a bit trivial if that is what they consider to be biggests thing that has gone wrong with America, and it is extremely debatable in terms of being good or bad.

  • Independent
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    It means nothing! Just words, vibrations blown in the wind.

    America is on an downhill slope as happened with Rome, Napoleon as well Hitler. Our standing in the world is the worst since WWII. Our "partners" do not trust us anymore. Building up the army at enormous cost is the same as Hitler did; result known. Our deficit only grows and is unstoppable especially if you spent your tax money on the wrong things. Our "laws" or non-laws are pathetic; they will drive this country even further in despair, due to non "vetting" of leaders, as well let "corruption" freely roam. Spending billions on elections; means elections are being "bought"

    Therefore as I've said many times "slogans" are not going to safe this country; real proper realistic "education" will.

    As long as it stays with useless slogans, forget it.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Making America great again is whatever it is in a person's mind. Most people can relate to happy times in their lives, not really understanding all the factors that drove that happiness at the time. Job security was certainly a factor -- the factory, the mine, a store or shop, a valued profession -- but also a place called home with community and church. Norman Rockwell's America perhaps and a false sense of entitlement that went with that so called "American exceptionalism".

    There was a sense of complacency or comfort that set in with the middle class especially as they took for granted their economic status. They didn't realize the forces at work over many years to undermine that status. I have referenced the Lewis Powell Memorandum in this website, in which Lewis Powell in 1971 outlined a plan for "taking our country back" but from the viewpoint of the corporatist who saw the free enterprise system under attack by liberals. It is an interesting memo and should be read to better understand the corporatist movement that it set in motion and is still alive today in Trumpism. Perhaps the highlight of the movement was the election of Ronald Reagan as president and whose drastic tax reforms helped drive the inequality that we are seeing today. The election of Trump is the frosting on the cake.

    Reagan also set in motion a kind of warped thinking that set the American middle class against itself with his often repeated slogan from his inaugural address: "In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." That and his fictitious "welfare queen". George Bush and now Donald Trump carries on that mission.

    I should not lay all the blame on Powell or Reagan or Trump, however. For many Americans, especially those lacking a higher education or skills, what has affected their economic status even more is their inability to adapt to market forces including globalization and new technologies. The world is changing and they feel frustration at being left behind, much the same as earlier generations felt the change from the "horse and buggy" era.

    Their sense of anxiety made them prey for the unscrupulous politicians who made promises that they would never be able to deliver upon. And I am not only talking about Donald Trump, who skillfully played upon people's emotions telling them what they wanted to hear but with no strategy or plan on how to accomplish those "promises".

    There are many things that divide Americans now that are skillfully being exploited by those in power. They can do that because much of the public is ignorant of the functions of government and can be easily exploited in the "blame game". Education would certainly help, but I know some highly educated people whose underlying prejudices have manifested themselves in tribal politics and single emotional issues that trump critical thinking.

    Understanding our government would be a helpful first step. And then voting intelligently.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Who cares? He never wanted to be President so he picked two great sound bites. "Make America Great Again" and "Lots of High Paying Jobs". So what has he done in either promise. He has turned America into a redicule target and I don't see any movement toward high paying jobs. Don't forget that one of the first statements of policy he first made and the only time he ever told the truth about his plans he said he wouldn't raise the minimum wage because he wanted to keep American wages competitive with foreign labor. That statement was also very telling in who he wanted to make America Great For. Two weeks later somebody must have pointed out how idiotic he sounded by saying he wouldn't raise the minimum wage and he changed to "Lots of Good Paying Jobs". The press didn't say a word about the contradiction because they were still in awe of the "Billionaire".

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: Understanding our government would be a helpful first step. And then voting intelligently.

    That's the most thoughtful description of our current predicament I've ever read.

    I've spent many hours pondering when America truly was great and my conclusion (at least in my humble opinion) is that it never really has been. My other conclusion (again, in my humble opinion) is that no country or empire in the history of human civilization has ever been great.

    Was America great when black people were bought and sold like chattel or when our ancestors stole Native people lands and slaughtered innocent men, women, and children by the hundreds of thousands? Was America great when Jim Crow laws made it so black men, women, and children could be killed with impunity? What about when we passed laws that made it so only white people could take advantage of government stimulus dollars during the Great Depression? I can go on and on.

    America has never been great because America, like every other country and empire before it, is made up of fallible human beings. There have been many great Americans who have helped bend the arc of the moral universe towards justice, but for every two steps we have taken forward, we have taken one step back. The same can be said about every other empire.

    In the same breath, I know there are tens of millions of great Americans living in this country who truly do want to make America "great." I see them at school board meetings and soup kitchens; on the street and behind closed doors. What makes America and every other country great is the people who devote their lives helping make someone else's life better.

  • Independent
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    Let me state the question another way because, yes it understood to be mostly BS. My point it to understand what THEY think it means because it is there perception life is much worse than it once was FOR THEM.

    What would someone from trump's base say if asked: "Explain what it means to make America Great again.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    jaredsxtn makes a good point. What campaign have we ever engaged in that wasn't a lie or smokescreen for the personal interests of just a few people at a great cost to the common people. The only great country would be one that eliminates any suffering from those least able to provide for themselves. According to MLK, injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "What would someone from trump's base say if asked: "Explain what it means to make America Great again."​T

    All the Trump supporters I know are Confederate Flag defending anti government right wing supremacists.

  • Independent
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote: Understanding our government would be a helpful first step. And then voting intelligently.

    That's the most thoughtful description of our current predicament I've ever read.

    I've spent many hours pondering when America truly was great and my conclusion (at least in my humble opinion) is that it never really has been. My other conclusion (again, in my humble opinion) is that no country or empire in the history of human civilization has ever been great.

    Was America great when black people were bought and sold like chattel or when our ancestors stole Native people lands and slaughtered innocent men, women, and children by the hundreds of thousands? Was America great when Jim Crow laws made it so black men, women, and children could be killed with impunity? What about when we passed laws that made it so only white people could take advantage of government stimulus dollars during the Great Depression? I can go on and on.

    America has never been great because America, like every other country and empire before it, is made up of fallible human beings. There have been many great Americans who have helped bend the arc of the moral universe towards justice, but for every two steps we have taken forward, we have taken one step back. The same can be said about every other empire.

    In the same breath, I know there are tens of millions of great Americans living in this country who truly do want to make America "great." I see them at school board meetings and soup kitchens; on the street and behind closed doors. What makes America and every other country great is the people who devote their lives helping make someone else's life better.

    Jared, you are missing a few things; don't forget that this country is only 300 years old; Europe is more than 2000 years old; China etc. even older. I call the situation here "growing pains". Europe learned from it, here not yet. Also because this is an arrogant "island" in this big world and behaves as such. The refusal to accept things what work in other countries like Norway etc. makes this island unruly and backwards. Also since WWII this has become an military driven culture, which is used the wrong way by bullying the world. Because most immigrants in the past were evicted "religious" fanatics from all over, then you get an weird society and wrong influences to move a country forward. Therefore my answer is there is no "United" States. Furthermore it does not help that it is fake and corrupt with wrong antiquated laws. Indeed a melting "pot" of which the substance does not want to "melt" Yes the truth hurts.
  • Center Left
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

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    "What would someone from trump's base say if asked: "Explain what it means to make America Great again."​T

    All the Trump supporters I know are Confederate Flag defending anti government right wing supremacists.

    It's about sending signals that others (non-whites) will continue to have blatant road blocks making existing more difficult. Does that help poor or disadvantaged whites ? Hell No but it's not about helping. Helping costs money. It's about pointing out how you have it better than many others. Double talk. Like what a manipulative conman would utter.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: Jared, you are missing a few things; don't forget that this country is only 300 years old; Europe is more than 2000 years old; China etc. even older. I call the situation here "growing pains". Europe learned from it, here not yet. Also because this is an arrogant "island" in this big world and behaves as such. The refusal to accept things what work in other countries like Norway etc. makes this island unruly and backwards.

    My main issue with comparing the United States to countries like Norway is the fact that there are over 330 million people living here compared to Norway's 5.23 million. There are three million more people living in New York City than there are in all of Norway.

    So what works in Norway may not be what works here because it's much easier to keep 5.2 million people happy than keeping 330 million of them happy. It's also much easier to test things out and see what works and doesn't work when your population is far smaller. It's much more difficult doing so in a country of our size.

    Dutch Wrote: Also since WWII this has become an military driven culture, which is used the wrong way by bullying the world. Because most immigrants in the past were evicted "religious" fanatics from all over, then you get an weird society and wrong influences to move a country forward. Therefore my answer is there is no "United" States. Furthermore it does not help that it is fake and corrupt with wrong antiquated laws. Indeed a melting "pot" of which the substance does not want to "melt" Yes the truth hurts.

    That's a vast over simplification of an extremely complex subject. I would love nothing more than to slash our military budget, but I also appreciate that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Withdrawing from the world stage will leave a vacuum that some other country will move in to fill. How that is handled can either wind up being positive or make things a million times worse.

  • Independent
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    Jared, just answer: Is there a "United" States? What does this country want on the world stage? Bullying; steal resources, "demand" things which does not fit any country, telling the world what to do, while this country itself does not know what it wants for itself. Has no nation "building" experience. Invading countries all over the place, who never attacked us, meddling all over and is "parking" military all over the globe without any purpose other than "bullying". Thinking that all the oceans are ours to control. Nuts. The way things are going in this country all of this hopefully will end once this has become a third world country..
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    United We stand has fallen victim to all the little generals that want to be the authoritarian dictator of their little corner of the world. The biggest enemy of social progress is state's rights.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: Jared, just answer: Is there a "United" States? What does this country want on the world stage? Bullying; steal resources, "demand" things which does not fit any country, telling the world what to do, while this country itself does not know what it wants for itself.

    The United States is a collection of fifty individual states that shares a centralized government. The vast majority of laws are passed at the local and state levels while the central government deals more with interstate relations, the general welfare of the entire country (taxes, social programs, etc.), and international affairs.

    It's unfortunate that your go-to argument is to just blame any and everything that has ever gone bad in the world on the United States. Things are so much more complicated than that.

  • Independent
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Jared, just answer: Is there a "United" States? What does this country want on the world stage? Bullying; steal resources, "demand" things which does not fit any country, telling the world what to do, while this country itself does not know what it wants for itself.

    The United States is a collection of fifty individual states that shares a centralized government. The vast majority of laws are passed at the local and state levels while the central government deals more with interstate relations, the general welfare of the entire country (taxes, social programs, etc.), and international affairs.

    It's unfortunate that your go-to argument is to just blame any and everything that has ever gone bad in the world on the United States. Things are so much more complicated than that.

    Yes things are more complicated here because they ( the government) made it complicated. How often I told you that the laws here are either incomplete or wrong and no one wants to put in any effort top change them. Such as "1800's gun laws" no decent "elections laws" WITHOUT MONEY" to corrupt it, no firm laws to "vet" a president nor higher functions in the government; a worthless "emolument clause" which is not implemented, nor strict laws to exactly determine if a president can run his own business while in office etc. Jared you know what I mean; an size of a country does not matter; the priority in any country should be to prevent corruption; here instead they promote it!!