Trump administration bans CDC from using offensive words
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Schmidt: The first thing I thought of when I read the article was George Carlin, who was arrested in Milwaukee for saying 7 forbidden words on stage. If you pulled George up again on Youtube you will have a good chuckle
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jaredsxtn Wrote:I feel like we're living in the Twilight Zone. This is what a far-right, evangelical Christian government looks like. Facts no longer matter. Words that "offend" you can now be banned entirely. I agree, Schmidt - this is bat shit crazy. The way fundamentalist Christians think and view the world is that their "Belief" and\or "Faith" always over-rules everything else, such as rational thinking, facts, evidence, science, etc. If those things don't support their belief, then those thing are wrong and that is that. IMHO, it is a form of mental illness, just not bad enough that it prevents them from being self-supporting.
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We've discussed this before, but for many people who have been religiously indoctrinated from birth, they are incapable of rationalizing outside of their bubbles. There are degrees of religiosity and no doubt the most hardened -- the fundamentalists -- also have genetic factors (fear for example) that compels them to cling to their beliefs, and cannot cope (cognitive dissonance) when confronted with alternative realities (e.g. the Roy Moore supporters). One thing I have noticed in discussing religion with those so deeply indoctrinated is that they have 100 percent certitude in their convictions. What is also true now is that for many of them there is little to separate their religious beliefs from their political beliefs. Somehow over the years the two have melded together into hybrid religious-political doctrines where certain politicians (e.g. Louis Gohmert) believe they are doing God's work. Mitt Romney, as another example, has been associated with the White Horse prophesy of Mormonism. But whether it's Evangelicals, Mormons, or even some sect of Islam (e.g. Salafism) leading to ISIS extremism, they all claim to be doing it in the name of the religion, and they all have 100 percent certitude in their convictions. One can also browse their respective scriptures and find verses that give credence to their strong beliefs. Both the Bible and the Qur'an have numerous contradictions providing fodder for those who cherry pick certain verses as evidence that they are doing God's work. We can mock and ridicule them, but it only hardens them. They are passionate and vote in huge numbers.
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Schmidt, the crazy thing is that the most obvious place where Christians are fanatic is down here. I've never in my life seen such variety of ridiculous religions as in the US. Of course Islam has also its fanatism. However on this "island" it is over the "top". If you look in our neighborhood there must be at least 20 churches with all different names. Like the "flowing water church"; how they invent those names is unbelievable. My take on it is, that this is caused by our "tax system" . Churches are "heaven" for not paying tax; that's why some pastors have private planes or huge yachts. Religion as it is preached on this globe is laughable; nothing of a "god" thing has never been proven, let alone by "scientists" (sorry that I use that word; it is no longer allowed). Like you said it is an indoctrination, just like FOX news. Babies at birth are not yet indoctrinated but certain people make sure they will be. Indeed once "religion" is "programmed" in the brain, you get an automatic "add blocker" which stops all "real" life things from entering.
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Schmidt Wrote: We can mock and ridicule them, but it only hardens them. They are passionate and vote in huge numbers. Amen, Schmidt. This sentence hits the nail on the head. We have to learn to talk with and not at devoutly religious people. It's been a work in progress for me because I have struggled to understand how someone who claims to follow the words of Jesus can also be in favor of the death penalty and against spending taxpayer dollars to feed poor and starving children. The hypocrisy really gets to me, but one thing I've found in talking with my devoutly conservative and religious family is that shaming them doesn't work. That only made them cement their positions even more. It took my parents awhile to come around on gay marriage and gay rights, but they came around on gay marriage and gay rights. They did so because I stopped ridiculing and shaming them and simply informed them that many of my close friends they have had dinner with many times are openly gay, but don't plaster it on a billboard for everyone to see. (I did so with my friends consent). That one thing - realizing that people they care about and have broken bread with are gay - helped to change their opinions on gay marriage. My very conservative family and I continue to disagree on damn near everything under the sun, but they are good people who are simply trying to navigate their way through life. So are my wife and I. I am the sole atheist in my entire family, but my wife and I still go to church with my parents when we're visiting them because we know it makes them happy. If more atheists went to church every once in awhile then maybe they'd begin to understand that we're not going to change a devoutly religious persons mind.
At the same time, hiring a whole bunch of devoutly religious people to be in charge of the of HHS and the CDC makes me sick to my stomach. Donald's minions have the potential to take us back decades scientifically. I know it drives certain members mad when I say this, but we get the government we vote (or don't vote) for.
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Dutch Wrote: Schmidt, the crazy thing is that the most obvious place where Christians are fanatic is down here. I've never in my life seen such variety of ridiculous religions as in the US. Of course Islam has also its fanatism. However on this "island" it is over the "top". Oh, come on Dutch. Religious fanatics are spread throughout the globe. My wife (then girlfriend) and I spent many months in South America a couple years ago and the Catholic Church reigns supreme throughout the vast majority of the continent. Gay marriage? No thank you! Abortion? Only if you've been raped or are about to die! Do you call that better or worse than the United States? Religious dogma is not constrained to the United States. In fact, the United States is quite liberal when it comes to rights afforded to those who don't practice a religion. Dutch Wrote: If you look in our neighborhood there must be at least 20 churches with all different names. Like the "flowing water church"; how they invent those names is unbelievable. My take on it is, that this is caused by our "tax system" . Churches are "heaven" for not paying tax; that's why some pastors have private planes or huge yachts. Religion as it is preached on this globe is laughable; nothing of a "god" thing has never been proven, let alone by "scientists" (sorry that I use that word; it is no longer allowed). Like you said it is an indoctrination, just like FOX news. Babies at birth are not yet indoctrinated but certain people make sure they will be. Indeed once "religion" is "programmed" in the brain, you get an automatic "add blocker" which stops all "real" life things from entering.
Chastising devoutly religious people isn't going to suddenly turn them into atheists. I found that out the hard way with my family. I agree with you when it comes to taxing religious organizations, but I disagree with you when it comes to shitting on anyone who believes in a higher power. The human brain is an extremely complex organ and you chastising someone for believing in a God will only trigger certain receptors that will reinforce their beliefs. You're not going to win by telling a religious person they're wrong.
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