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Goodbye State Department

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    New York Times, November 24, 2017: Diplomats Sound the Alarm as They Are Pushed Out in Droves

    Donald Trump and Rex Tillerson are treating the State Department like a business...drastically downsizing it for a world in which true diplomacy is obsolete and gun boat diplomacy is the new norm. No need for career diplomats to promote immigration to the United States. We don't want immigrants (at least certain kinds) and don't need State Department people to process people who are not wanted. Only the white wealthy potential immigrants need apply. We don't need many people for that.

    Trade deals are being scrubbed, and a "take it or leave it" mentality is the new norm. No need for State Department to assist in negotiations when there is nothing to negotiate. Deal on Trump terms or no deal.

    "Build the Wall" is all we hear from Trump, as he yet again used the mass killing in Egypt to make his case for building the wall.

    The State Department's new motto: Fear the "other"!

    However, that new mission has not yet been reflected the official mission of the State Department, which is a holdover from the Obama administration. I guess they don't have the staff left to write a new mission statement and change it.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Yes, as I predicted; this country will become more and more isolated from the world around us. The only thing the world fears is our army, which may be wrongly used in world conflicts, with an "child" leader as Trump.

    But somehow it would be nice if the US stops meddling in the world; however we still maintain our wars or start new one's.

    Trump boasted that Afghanistan will be an "win"; forgetting that an war of 16 years never is an "win"

    Thus which ever way you look at it; this country will go downhill from now on.

  • Independent
    Washington
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    There is no question the trump administration is not the team we want running anything. And if they are running the government like they are CEOs, they would have been fired within the 1st few months by the board of directors. I have seen it happen in my professional career, someone is hired as CEO, does a extremely bad job, and is fired quickly.

    However, if we set aside Trump and all the schmucks he has brought with him. I do wonder how the government cleans up poorly run teams\groups within various agencies, because it is very hard to fire people once they have been hired. Doing a bad job is not enough to get fired. I wonder about this because I have worked for the government before, and there are career people who do the least amount of work possible, just enough not to get fired. In the professional world, they would have been let go within 1-2 years, yet in the government, such people can last until they retire. I worked with a guy who made a career out of getting others to do his work. He just went around chatting with people asking them to help out.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    wwjd -- I agree. One of the clichés of the Republicans to "run government like a business" has some truth to it, in part, as it applies to downsizing parts of government and certain employees that no longer have value to society or are not carrying their weight. Corporations can shed dead weight so much easier than governments at all levels (local, state and federal).

    However, governments are run to "provide for the general welfare" while corporations are run to "enhance shareholder value" so we must keep that distinction in mind.

    One of the most bloated government bureaucracies is the military who always seems to be first at the trough by pushing their own cliché of supporting the troops. If you don't approve the money, you don't support the troops. The so called "troops" in this case is the many military contractors who feed off the trough. But also the military hierarchy. It seems to me we sure have a lot of career one, two and three star generals who just hang around. How did Michael Flynn become a general in the first place?

    My final sore point though is Trump's judicial appointments. These are appointments for life and some of them couldn't qualify for dog catcher.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Again Schmidt, absolutely correct; may be you remember the truck loads of money lost in Iraq by our fantastic Pentagon.

    Accountability is nowhere to be found; the Pentagon keeps loosing money all over the place but no one blinks; how about all the cost overruns in procurement of planes, ships etc. you name it.

    About the judicial appointments, I always thought that such was nuts. Read my other threads about what has to be changed in our laws. However I bet that over 50 years still nothing is done about this as well other stupidity in our base laws.

    Thus everyone probably calls me "bitching", but I can't do anything about it, because all I can do is vote; but my vote does not count in this country because of 1800 made laws. My mistake to think my vote would help.

    Schmidt; I'm kind of tired of all the stupidity here and will move shortly; as soon as my roof is fixed.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    My final sore point though is Trump's judicial appointments. These are appointments for life and some of them couldn't qualify for dog catcher.

    This is like the #1 reason why trump (and Pence) have to go ASAP.

    trump could careless about the far right morality agenda, he wants someone he can call anytime and play golf 1-2 per week, including after he is out of office; someone like trump is low on ethics and is loyal to trump.

    I think none the the current SC justices want trump to appoint anyone because they they don't want to risk getting someone who might be a closeted Roy Moore that writes legal decisions that include verbiage of "Gays are sexual predators" or "All muslims are terrorists".... Imagine if a SCJ had that type of sick language in his legal decisions. hypothetical example: If Moore was a SCJ, he would write some very offensive legal decisions with 30% of the nation cheering him on, and 70% demanding his removal. Moore would never be nominated, but someone who thinks like him could be.

    We have to keep in mind that if trump resigns (i think he will declare victory and resign claiming health reasons), that means a true right wing wack0, VP Pence becomes president, and he would nominate someone who is a hardcore, far right conservative christian, not a corruptible judge as would trump nominate.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    wwjd Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote:

    My final sore point though is Trump's judicial appointments. These are appointments for life and some of them couldn't qualify for dog catcher.

    This is like the #1 reason why trump (and Pence) have to go ASAP.

    If Donald and Pence go then we'd have President Paul Ryan. If he goes then we'd have President Hatch. If both of them die at the same time then we'd have President Tillerson, then President Mnuchin, then President Mattis, and then President Sessions. The list goes on and on, but every single one of them will be a Republican.

    This is what I was trying to get across to all of those Bernie or busters out there. Once a President is sworn in then there's no going back, especially with one-party rule. The only thing that's going to save us is Democrats getting off their ass, stopping their infighting, and retaking the House and Senate in 2018 and then throwing Donald out of office in 2020.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    New York Times, November 24, 2017: Diplomats Sound the Alarm as They Are Pushed Out in Droves

    Donald Trump and Rex Tillerson are treating the State Department like a business...drastically downsizing it for a world in which true diplomacy is obsolete and gun boat diplomacy is the new norm. No need for career diplomats to promote immigration to the United States. We don't want immigrants (at least certain kinds) and don't need State Department people to process people who are not wanted. Only the white wealthy potential immigrants need apply. We don't need many people for that.

    Trade deals are being scrubbed, and a "take it or leave it" mentality is the new norm. No need for State Department to assist in negotiations when there is nothing to negotiate. Deal on Trump terms or no deal.

    "Build the Wall" is all we hear from Trump, as he yet again used the mass killing in Egypt to make his case for building the wall.

    The State Department's new motto: Fear the "other"!

    However, that new mission has not yet been reflected the official mission of the State Department, which is a holdover from the Obama administration. I guess they don't have the staff left to write a new mission statement and change it.

    It's a shame, but I'm not surprised. Republicans have convinced themselves that the only important federal agency is the Department of Defense. All other agencies must be slashed to the bare bones in order to give more and more taxpayer dollars to the military.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Jared in both your replies, you are absolutely correct; thus as I said so many times: this country is going to hell in a hurry.

    Indeed if Trump is out, then we get an even worse situation like you pictured. The only solution is for the Dem's to retake the House and the Senate. But how are you going to undo all the damage done; I don't think that the GOP will go down without a fight; so they will use every trick they can find to make sure that the Dem's don't win in 2018 let alone in 2020.

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    I think Rosa Brooks’ book “How Everything Became War and the Military Became Everything:Tales From the Pentagon” addresses much of the problem. She also notes that the biggest socialist enterprise in this country is the military.

    The U.S. military is being asked/forced to do things that are not military/war. And the boundaries between war/not war are being obliterated. Nation destroying and nation building are now happening in confusion.

    Trump is a perfect symbol for this country. The most powerful military in the world cannot fight war anymore because war has changed beyond recognition. He bleats, blathers and boasts and in the end is impotent.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Evanka goes to India to talk about low wages, women's rights, human rights but has no state department entourage as a escort, hmmm, kind of a nut.