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  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    I feel the same way, but I doubt it never will get that far. If mueller gets enough dirt on trump worthy of unquestionable impeachment, trump will "suddenly" develop health problems that require him to resign and play golf 5 days a week for a year to regain full health. ;)

    Also is the reality is Pence will pardon trump no matter what he does.

    The only way I see it happening is if trump gets so vindictive\paranoid that he abuses presidential powers to do some very horrible things that cost lives and\or orders american people (aka Hillary Clinton) be arrested and sent to gitmo where they are prevented from having access to the the American Justice System. I doubt that trump would ever go that far to seek revenge. He'd rather declare victory (after having accomplished nothing), resign, and take his act on tour, holding rallies in states where he has enough base to hold 10k+ rallies (which won't be within 1000 miles near where I live)

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    wwjd Wrote: I feel the same way, but I doubt it never will get that far. If mueller gets enough dirt on trump worthy of unquestionable impeachment, trump will "suddenly" develop health problems that require him to resign and play golf 5 days a week for a year to regain full health. ;)

    If Republicans pass tax reform and Donald signs it then he could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue and the Republicans won't do a damn thing about it. Donald will never quit and Republicans aren't going to push him out because they are terrified of the beast they created that is the modern day Republican base.

    Donald has continued to hold a stead 80+% approval rating among Republicans, so Democrats can hope and pray for Donald's removal from office all they want, but that is never going to happen when 80% of Republicans approve of the job he's doing.

    I honestly believe there is little to zero chance that Donald will be removed from office before his term is complete. It's hard enough to get 2/3's of the Senate to agree that the sky is blue on a sunny day. Convincing over a dozen Republicans to throw a President of their own party out of office is next to impossible in this political environment.

    If Donald leaves office early it'll be because he ate one too many KFC buckets.

    wwjd Wrote: Also is the reality is Pence will pardon trump no matter what he does.

    Yes, he will.

    Pence will also be able to accomplish ten times as many things as Donald because Pence is a savvy politician. Democrats need to be careful what they wish for because if they think a President Donald is bad then just wait and see what a President Pence is like.

    wwjd Wrote: The only way I see it happening is if trump gets so vindictive\paranoid that he abuses presidential powers to do some very horrible things that cost lives and\or orders american people (aka Hillary Clinton) be arrested and sent to gitmo where they are prevented from having access to the the American Justice System. I doubt that trump would ever go that far to seek revenge. He'd rather declare victory (after having accomplished nothing), resign, and take his act on tour, holding rallies in states where he has enough base to hold 10k+ rallies (which won't be within 1000 miles near where I live)

    Donald wants to be like Putin so, so bad and is throwing a hissy fit because he can't. Putin gets to throw anyone who dares to challenge him in prison and throw away the key, but Donald is finding out that the judicial system in our country is just a wee bit different. It's not perfect by any means, but it is checking Donald over and over again.

  • Strongly Liberal
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    All I can say is holy fuck ,you do go on. Let me get my boots , I hope they are high enough.

    All the ifs and the what's , WW you don't even consider the rule of law ?

    I'm going to go out on a limb , and I'm going to say that I have to believe in the rule of law. Crazy as that seems ,in these times.

    The wheels of justice , turn very slow but they never stop. The dotard is a criminal. They are all , criminals.

    We are not going to sit here and let Vlad Putin take over our country. Sooner or late ,you will see. Yes ,this is a coup de etat. But it's not going to be a successful coup. It will make us stronger , after it is finally done.

  • Independent
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    If Donald leaves office early it'll be because he ate one too many KFC buckets.

    I can see it going either way.

    1) He thinks he can beat the charges, fires mueller, and dares anyone to take him on; doubling down, playing a political game of "Chicken". He forbids DOJ take any further action, with the threat he will fire ever person at the DOJ if he needs too.

    2) He resigns claiming victory because symbolically Mueller his team have enough evidence of crimes that would put any person in jail for 100s of years.

    I think a lot has to do with timing related to elections and circumstances that we can not predict, only speculate.

    As you pointed out, elected republicans are afraid of what might happen if they rebuke trump. A key to understanding how trump operates is that one of trump most refined skills is that he has a keen eye for "fear" and "weakness", and he leverages that to his advantage, using it against them, even when it dirty business or dirty politics.

    What is obvious is that trump has no fear of backlash, and his base feeds off that he is willing to go too far, and not give a damn about it and\or is willing deny it 100% about it later, even when everyone knows he lying (aka Access Hollywood tape). His base would be both appalled and impressed if trump were to say (Hypnotically) "Yeah, I have had sex with teenage girls before. I loved, they loved it. Teenage girls love having sex. Parents just don't want to think it's their teenage daughter that having sex with older and powerful men, but it happens all the time. Happens everyday, in every state, in every city, it even happening right now, everywhere"

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    Yes Jared could be right, indeed if 80% GOP stick like glue with the idiot. Besides the KFC eating habit, I don't think it will kill him; maybe the pills which his Rasputin doctor prescribes do the trick. Also his tantrums may blow an artery or ruin another TV. However I still think that Mueller should have enough dirt on him to remove him as well all his cronies. For instance his tax returns are still an huge question; or did he not "file" for 10 years or more; it is under audit? My guess he could be jailed for tax evasion as well money laundering and receiving money from foreign countries etc. Comments?
  • Liberal Democrat
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    I'll add my two bits worth of opinion to the discussion. I too do not see Donald Trump resigning. He will fight to the end, whatever fate that is. His base (which is really a coalition of one issue voters) will continue to support him.

    The religious right (evangelicals, some catholics, most mormons, most Baptists and some others) will support him because of abortion and delivering on his promise with Neil Gorsuch. Call them the "Roy Moore Republicans".

    The gun nuts will support him because they believe a liberal "will take their guns away".

    The military and anyone working for a military contractor will support him out of jobs and patriotism.

    The Bernie supporters of the Rust Belt states will continue to support him as long as he has the appearance of being tough on China and NAFTA. They continue to believe he will bring their jobs back from China and Mexico.

    The nationalists will continue to support him as long as he doesn't give up on building the wall and blocking immigration.

    The fossil fuel industry workers (oil and gas, coal) will continue to support him as long as he opposes measures on climate change and regulations that might affect their jobs.

    The corporatists will continue to support him and his efforts to cut taxes for corporations and the rich and cut regulations.

    Die hard tribal Republicans will support him over any Democrat, period! This latter group includes most of our elected members of Congress who will stand by him in any Russian collusion revelations and impeachment proceedings.

    The above comprises his base and as long as he can continue to stoke their passions, mostly fear mongering, they will vote in large numbers. Depending on who the Democrats put up for President in 2020, that base could deliver another term for Trump.

    Democrats can stop him for sure. But Trump controls the messaging and the media...always.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: I'll add my two bits worth of opinion to the discussion. I too do not see Donald Trump resigning. He will fight to the end, whatever fate that is. His base (which is really a coalition of one issue voters) will continue to support him.

    Those are all great points. Donald isn't concerned about forging consensus. The only thing he cares about is keeping his misinformed and low-information voter base on his side. In that respect, he has been wildly successful.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    I'll add my two bits worth of opinion to the discussion. I too do not see Donald Trump resigning. He will fight to the end, whatever fate that is. His base (which is really a coalition of one issue voters) will continue to support him.

    The religious right (evangelicals, some catholics, most mormons, most Baptists and some others) will support him because of abortion and delivering on his promise with Neil Gorsuch. Call them the "Roy Moore Republicans".

    The gun nuts will support him because they believe a liberal "will take their guns away".

    The military and anyone working for a military contractor will support him out of jobs and patriotism.

    The Bernie supporters of the Rust Belt states will continue to support him as long as he has the appearance of being tough on China and NAFTA. They continue to believe he will bring their jobs back from China and Mexico.

    The nationalists will continue to support him as long as he doesn't give up on building the wall and blocking immigration.

    The fossil fuel industry workers (oil and gas, coal) will continue to support him as long as he opposes measures on climate change and regulations that might affect their jobs.

    The corporatists will continue to support him and his efforts to cut taxes for corporations and the rich and cut regulations.

    Die hard tribal Republicans will support him over any Democrat, period! This latter group includes most of our elected members of Congress who will stand by him in any Russian collusion revelations and impeachment proceedings.

    The above comprises his base and as long as he can continue to stoke their passions, mostly fear mongering, they will vote in large numbers. Depending on who the Democrats put up for President in 2020, that base could deliver another term for Trump.

    Democrats can stop him for sure. But Trump controls the messaging and the media...always.

    Sorry you forgot "the "white superior" uneducated redneck beer drinking unemployed coal miners, as well the States of Alabama, Louisiana, South Carolina etc. who all still live in 1800 and go bravely to church, who tells them who to vote for; ask Mr Moore.