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Hypotheical Question: What if the South won the Civll War

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  • Independent
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    If the south had won the Civil War, and those states created a separate country based on slavery, would such a nation still exist today with slaves?

    Much like our current 2nd amendment to own guns, its likely that country would have constitutional amendment "Right to own slaves".

    Having won the their independence over slavery, slavery would be central to their identity as a nation and their primary work force, as a nation they wouldn't easily abolish slavery. The issue of slavery would similar or obsession with owning guns. "Over my dead body are you going to take away my slaves."

    They probably would have an organization called "National Slave Association" that ensures that humanitarian activists don't pass laws that limit slave owners rights.

  • Strongly Liberal
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    Well the south , started the fight by firing on ft Sumpter. Then they began by kicking some serious ass , while mcclellan was more interested in finding a way to pull off a coup and become supreme leader than actual fighting. He refused to cross the potomac and fight . Had Lee attacked Washington in the fist place , it would have been over fast. That would have saved a million lives creating a whole different line of decendentcy . Leaving wealthy southern families intact.

    The war , like all wars , was foolish. And it created more problems than it solved . The idea that you could wave a magic wand and make people free was foolish. The entire event was just another sample of Americans being block heads . A young nation finding it's way..

    The issue would have been settled in the court. And a long court battle would have been infinitely better allowing the nation to hash it out , exposing the basic wrongness the in human practices and possibly the criminal habits that it spawned. And a more practical phase out would have left us with a better understanding of one another.

    War is never the best choice and always does more damage than good. The civil war was a bad idea in no way justified even by the result.

  • Independent
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    Like I said in so many of my threads; this country is barely 300 years old (under white power; forget the Indians) and still has growing pains.

    As a matter of fact there are 51 different countries here; only a couple have their act together; the rest lives on an isolated island. How can a country which has outdated laws and backwards looking culture stay afloat in this fast moving world around it. What is the American culture?? I don't know.

    Looking at the present situation about "White Evangelical Supremacy" it indeed gives the impression that we live in an 1800's mental state. It took Europe 2000 years plus to become more sensible and more cultural; thus we have a long way to go to keep things on course with "common sense" and "common sense laws"; which are still totally missing here.

  • Independent
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    If the south had won the Civil War, and those states created a separate country based on slavery, would such a nation still exist today with slaves?
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    Ft.myers, FL
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    wwjd Wrote: If the south had won the Civil War, and those states created a separate country based on slavery, would such a nation still exist today with slaves?
    Likely would; but they would not use the name "slaves" but, "migrant workers" (from Africa), whom they would pay about $ 7.50 an hour; but these "migrant workers"would not have voting rights nor healthcare or other social things, like their "white evangelical" bosses have.
  • Center Left
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    It would be heaven on earth because then fat assed lazy white men wouldn't have to work. Kinda like some persons now.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    wwjd Wrote: If the south had won the Civil War, and those states created a separate country based on slavery, would such a nation still exist today with slaves?

    It's certainly an interesting thought experiment, especially since it's impossible to know. I would like to believe that those who were living as slaves who saw how close they were to freedom wouldn't make it easy to just go back into life of total submission.

    Hell, the way the South reacted after the Civil War made it seem like they won in the first place. Slaves simply went from being slaves to being indentured servants with little to zero rights.

    The 13th Amendment technically abolished slavery, but it had a caveat saying slavery was illegal "except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted." That single sentence's ramifications are still being felt to this day.

    So I'm not really sure the South actually lost the Civil War. They may have lost on the battlefield, but their ideas still resonate to this day. The South thought people of color should be subservient to the white man and that idea is something tens of millions of Americans continue to believe.

  • Center Left
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    I watched a show last night called finding your roots. They spoke of how right after the Civil war many went into work contracts with their previous owner. It surprised me but everybody needs a job and a place to sleep. They got barely more than they got while enslaved.
  • Independent
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    TJ Wrote: I watched a show last night called finding your roots. They spoke of how right after the Civil war many went into work contracts with their previous owner. It surprised me but everybody needs a job and a place to sleep. They got barely more than they got while enslaved.

    Yeah, they got legal right to be free, but it was not the reality; they weren't really free. Pretty much just shifting the pieces around and the results were nearly the same, at least for the next 100+ years until 1960s.

  • Strongly Liberal
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    Exactly my point . They just adopted a new set of rules to keep the status quo. The war as a waste of time . It was rich people , being assholes. Like it always is. Right now , we still have rich people being assholes all over the world and it looks like curtains to me.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    TJ Wrote: I watched a show last night called finding your roots. They spoke of how right after the Civil war many went into work contracts with their previous owner. It surprised me but everybody needs a job and a place to sleep. They got barely more than they got while enslaved.

    Sounds familiar, the only thing that's changed if you think about it is that now we can legally work for $7.25 per hour, slave wages. Minorities are still discriminated against, the only difference is that whites don't lynch people anymore, in Amerika at least. It's hard to find a place to eat, sleep and pay utility bills working 40 hours, most people work 70 or 80 or more, just to make ends meet, and they save nothing. The top 0.1% are the fatcats.

    Saddam Hussein was lynched. But he wasn't a slave either.