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Sutherland Springs church massacre

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Colorado Springs, CO
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    At least 25 dead in this latest massacre. Words are hard to find. Most all the elected officials are offering thoughts and prayers. I suppose that's all that will be offered as the gunman, Devin Patrick Kelley, age 26, is dead.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Colorado Springs, CO
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    I suppose with a name like Kelley we cannot call this a terrorist attack...by definition. Oh and he used to teach at summer Bible school. Sad!
  • Independent
    Washington
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    [sarcasm humor = on]

    Rural White Dictionary: A terrorist attack is an unprovoked attack on white people by the evil islamic faith which wants to destroy all white Americans because they are Christians.

    trump Political Talking points: When a white man attacks white Americans there is a some understable justifican, often it is because he is upset with his x-wife and her family because he has been treated unfairly by the corrupt liberal justice system during the divorce process. Or, he was laid off from his coal mining job, so he needed to vent his frustration and a mass killing is simply a public protest about how he has been unfairly treated by the liberal government that overwhelming favors dead beat illegal aliens over hard working American born white men that pay taxes.

    [sarcasm humor = off]

    Serious question: Why is this a 99% male epidemic problem? Why aren't women (with a rare few exceptions) that commit mass, unprovoked, murders and\or terrorist attacks?

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Kenosha, WI
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    Schmidt Wrote: At least 25 dead in this latest massacre. Words are hard to find. Most all the elected officials are offering thoughts and prayers. I suppose that's all that will be offered as the gunman, Devin Patrick Kelley, age 26, is dead.
    The lawmakers can't help themselves. The NRA position is that parishioners should have been armed to defend themselves.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Colorado Springs, CO
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    One "good guy with a gun", a local resident supposedly used his rifle to shoot at Kelley whereupon he dropped his gun and fled. Later Kelley was found in his vehicle dead of a gun shot wound. There is speculation that the good guy with a gun shot him, at least that's the story in some gun friendly media.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Schmidt Wrote: One "good guy with a gun", a local resident supposedly used his rifle to shoot at Kelley whereupon he dropped his gun and fled. Later Kelley was found in his vehicle dead of a gun shot wound. There is speculation that the good guy with a gun shot him, at least that's the story in some gun friendly media.

    Good guys with guns; Wow. Trump will be pissed off it was not an ISIS guy; may be next time he hopes.

    Anyway the message is don't visit an Baptist Church; or any gathering of people; stay home; get a big dog as well mount an machine gun on the roof. America "civilized" ?? No a long way from it.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Trump tweeted: that it was not an gun problem, but an "mental problem in TX. Wow, one "mental" patient telling the other he's "mental? I did not hear anything about the "death" penalty or gun control; but yeah the guy is dead already. So lets hurry to the next shooting. I always thought that Jesus protected churches; thus that must have been another lie. Maybe Pence can help.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: I suppose with a name like Kelley we cannot call this a terrorist attack...by definition. Oh and he used to teach at summer Bible school. Sad!

    This is a terrible tragedy and I mourn for all of the victims, but I also can't get over how Donald handles mass causality events so diametrically differently.

    White men slaughtering 59 people at a concert or 26 people attending church are disturbed individuals who happened to slip through the cracks. A Muslim man who runs down 8 people is an international terrorist and therefore we need to shut down our borders and close the door to any brown person seeking to come to our country to make a better life for themselves.

    It's so depressing when you think about it.

  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    Us and them. He keeps it simple.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Cops or someone dropped the ball on this one. The offender sent threatening texts to the mother- in-law,

    "they pointed to the gunman’s issues with his relatives, saying he had sent “threatening texts” to his mother-in-law."

    "Kelley had sought and failed to obtain a permit allowing him to carry a concealed weapon, officials said. He had an “unarmed private security license” akin to what a security guard at a concert would have," read more

    msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/texas-o...

    If the mother-in-law reported he sent threatening messages, the police could have investigated and possibly held him until a court hearing, and meanwhile searched the gunman's abode and vehicle for firearms, this mass shooting might have been preventable. To tell authorities after the fact would have been too late. Who knows? The media hasn't been informed when the MIL told the police.

    Writing from past experiences, a friend of mine was threatened by the father of my friend's daughter for running his son off of his property. The police responded immediately and told the gentleman that if he went to my friend's home or made further threats, that he would be arrested. That situation was handled very well.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    I'm not an oracle; but I'm quite sure more of these killings are shown in my crystal ball. It is the non-culture here as well the system which keeps creating this self inflicted wound. At an given moment the "thing" will explode in our faces, because no one here has the guts to stop all this nonsense with guns. The idiots here love their guns more than their wife's or kids. Yes this country is and remains an "island" in this big world and refuse to do what other countries do to make life more "healthy". Even Trump said; he did not know there were so many countries in this world; but yeah that is what you get out of the mouth of an 7 year old.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    New York Times, November 7, 2017: What Explains U.S. Mass Shootings? International Comparisons Suggest an Answer

    A picture is worth a thousand words. This graph is revealing. Sorry I cannot copy and paste it. Read the article as well.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    New York Times, November 7, 2017: What Explains U.S. Mass Shootings? International Comparisons Suggest an Answer

    A picture is worth a thousand words. This graph is revealing. Sorry I cannot copy and paste it. Read the article as well.

    Yes Schmidt; Even that comparison does not show it all; It did not mention Scandinavia, Western Europe, China. The numbers are there even lower. Indeed the mental health here is very low in this country. Especially at the NRA and the present White House.
  • Center Left
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    All is forgivable as long as strong profits are being made. An actual leader would see the problem and find a solid fix. More of the same will follow because Tax cuts to make the wealthy even more wealthy is the only thing on his agenda. Year one and it is being addressed. Time to tweet garbage.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    TJ Wrote: All is forgivable as long as strong profits are being made. An actual leader would see the problem and find a solid fix. More of the same will follow because Tax cuts to make the wealthy even more wealthy is the only thing on his agenda. Year one and it is being addressed. Time to tweet garbage.
    Okay, but not enough people were shot to death yet. I wonder what it would take for lawmakers to consider stronger laws regarding gun ownership, 100 killed, 200 killed, 300 killed at one time? The Vegas shooting should have been a wake up call.