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This was interesting. I wasn't aware of this guy. Money and politics. The new generation and their political views will have to allow for the what's in it for me mindsets that are currently being nurtured by the Republican party. Previously being a politician was about service. Now the power and ego are a factor.

Cambridge Analytica did extensive work for Trump and more. Interesting read.

wwjd

2017-11-03 07:56:35 AM

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I do suspect there are many more powerful, but little known, people behind the scenes. A bit like REAL secret agents, those who nobody knows about, thus walk around with complete anonymity.

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2017-11-03 08:33:12 AM

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Yes, our forefathers never saw that coming; thus the message is totally revamp the election system, as I have said a million times; just let votes count, should be an without "money" injected process. No more "super PAC's" etc. As well selective allowed adds only. Sorry, but if this is not changed forget the word Democracy. Then you get Trump types instead of honest hard working people with an decent education and brains. Thus an absolute self inflicted wound.

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2017-11-03 01:41:41 PM

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Robert Mercer and his daughter are the main financiers of the fat idiot. They are evangelical , evil. They are reason the fat dotard stocked his cabinet with evangelical assholes.

Mercer is about to be indicted by Meuller. He stepped down from his wall street firm in an attempted to shield it from the coming legal fight. These people are snakes. The Republican parties embrace of this evil will be their downfall. These are evil people . Evangelical are Nazis. They are are fascists. They are very dangerous because they are radical and work to build an aristocracy in America . That's what they want . Castes. They do not play nice . They are evil personified.

I'm glad they are being exposed now though. The Mercer's are enemies of America.

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2017-11-03 02:32:01 PM

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Maindawg Wrote:
Robert Mercer and his daughter are the main financiers of the fat idiot. They are evangelical , evil. They are reason the fat dotard stocked his cabinet with evangelical assholes.
Mercer is about to be indicted by Meuller. He stepped down from his wall street firm in an attempted to shield it from the coming legal fight. These people are snakes. The Republican parties embrace of this evil will be their downfall. These are evil people . Evangelical are Nazis. They are are fascists. They are very dangerous because they are radical and work to build an aristocracy in America . That's what they want . Castes. They do not play nice . They are evil personified.
I'm glad they are being exposed now though. The Mercer's are enemies of America.

Main, you said it absolutely correct; these people want an dictatorship.

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2017-11-03 02:45:13 PM

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Don't tell some but Oligarchy is suggested more than once in the linked article.

jaredsxtn

2017-11-03 04:23:18 PM

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Maindawg Wrote: Mercer is about to be indicted by Meuller. He stepped down from his wall street firm in an attempted to shield it from the coming legal fight. These people are snakes. The Republican parties embrace of this evil will be their downfall. These are evil people . Evangelical are Nazis. They are are fascists. They are very dangerous because they are radical and work to build an aristocracy in America . That's what they want . Castes. They do not play nice . They are evil personified.

Evangelical's are Nazis? I'm an atheist, but even I think that comes across as bonkers.

America was an aristocracy before we became a republic in 1789 and we have been an aristocracy since. Rich white men rule and rich white men write all the laws. However, that doesn't mean we live in a fascist dictatorship.

Aristocrats and fascists are two entirely different peoples. Aristocrats want to keep as much of their money as they possibly can. Fascists want martial law imposed by a strongman leader.

I'm not cheering the fact that rich people have gamed the system in our country, but facts and words matter.

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2017-11-03 04:38:39 PM

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TJ Wrote: Don't tell some but Oligarchy is suggested more than once in the linked article.

Articles and opinion pieces are two very different things. This is an interesting opinion piece, but I'd hardly call it an article.

Here's the thing. Americans voted (albeit in the minority) for Donald to be our President. The President gets to pick and choose who he wants his advisers to be and the President gets to pick his cabinet secretaries.

If more people got off their ass and voted last November in both the Presidential and Senate elections then we wouldn't be having this discussion. If Bernie or busters in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania didn't vote for Donald then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

We don't live in a fascist oligarchy; we live in a country that allows a minority of voters to overrule the will of the majority. We also live in a country where half of eligible voters are too damn lazy to get off their couch to vote. That's not fascism, it's laziness.

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2017-11-03 04:57:33 PM

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And yet you never criticized the DNC about not getting more people elected ? Bernie and his followers is who you and many blame but there are many problems with our party and their lack of effort in states not in the easy win category. I personally think insufficient communications is a major factor. We are suffering because we are and probably will stay the minority party for a fear of making significant changes.

Crazy is doing the same thing and expecting different results.

jaredsxtn

2017-11-03 05:42:09 PM

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TJ Wrote: And yet you never criticized the DNC about not getting more people elected ?

National committees don't elect Presidents, Congresspeople, or Senators. People do.

I honestly don't give a damn about national committees. Nobody's mind is going to be changed because a national committee told them to vote a certain way.

Bernie had every chance to win over the majority of Democratic voters, but he didn't. He lost the Democratic primary by millions of votes. That's a fact Bernie or busters will never accept, but it's a fact nonetheless.

TJ Wrote: Bernie and his followers is who you and many blame but there are many problems with our party and their lack of effort in states not in the easy win category.

I blame Bernie or bust assholes in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. I'll remind you once again that the people chose Hillary, but the system chose Donald.

TJ Wrote: I personally think insufficient communications is a major factor. We are suffering because we are and probably will stay the minority party for a fear of making significant changes.

What changes do you suggest? Appeasing white nationalist and racists? Bending over backwards to welcome anti-gay bigots into our camp? Promising the world to gullible people even though those promises will never become a reality?

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2017-11-03 07:11:56 PM

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I wouldn't suggest going after "those people" but the candidate sure worked or paid to find out what voters interests were. You're either moving forwards or you're moving backwards. We are making zero progress because we don't have mass media playing our message and the top of the DNC seem to have resigned themselves to do somewhere between little and nothing. My personal message to all who visit the parties website is Give Nothing. All they can manage is menial fund raising.

More of the same old crap will mean no progress while Healthcare crumbles and the wealthy pad their pockets. But watch out.... 2024 might be huuugggeee. Uh huh.

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2017-11-03 07:43:15 PM

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A fair amount of political commentary on MSNBC has been that making this a public matter is handing trump tweets topics to lie about: "Dems confess that DNC committed crimes. why isn't DOJ investigating Crooked H. Mass Conspiracy?

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2017-11-03 08:22:34 PM

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jaredsxtn Wrote:I blame Bernie or bust assholes in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. I'll remind you once again that the people chose Hillary, but the system chose Donald.

I think they regret their vote more than anyone.

It is my perception that they didn't think trump had any chance of being elected, and their votes (or lack of voting, or writing down "Homer Simpson") were intended to be protest votes to send a message to President-elect Hillary Clinton that democratic politics as usual was unacceptable, and as president she needed to make significant changes to win\earn their support.

If swing voters had been aware that trump had a realistic chance, they would have voted for Clinton without much hesitation. I don't blame them because nearly everyone in America, including trump was surprised by the election results.

ASIDE: it was not what he wanted, and what we have seen since is him being ticked off that he was elected. He wants out, but on his terms. If trump could have scripted it, he would have lost by 3 electoral votes (one state), and won the popular vote. Thus, claim he really won, and the system was rigged.

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2017-11-03 09:06:47 PM

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I just don’t buy that. Anyone who votes should understand that their vote is being cast for the person they vote for.

Someone who voted for Donald out of protest still voted for Donald. And that person is part of why Donald now has the keys to our nuclear codes.

We shouldn’t apologize for them or try to pat them on the back and let them know that everything will be alright. They are terrible, selfish people who only care about themselves.

wwjd

2017-11-03 09:34:17 PM

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