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Senator Jeff Flake Excoriates Donald in Retirement Speech

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Arizona Senator Jeff Flake, a member of Donald's party, announced he was fed up with the direction of the country under Donald's leadership and is going to retire after only one term. He never uttered Donald's name, but who he was talking about was unmistakable.

    Two quotes that jumped out at me the most were:

    “We must never allow ourselves to lapse into thinking that that is just the way things are now. If we simply become used to this condition then heaven help us. Without fear of the consequences and without consideration of the rules of what is politically safe, we must stop pretending that the conduct of some in our executive branch are normal. They are not normal. Reckless, outrageous and undignified behavior has become excused as telling it like it is when it is actually reckless, outrageous and undignified.”

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    "With respect, we fooled ourselves long enough that a pivot to governing is right around the corner, a return to civility and stability right behind it. We know better than that. by now, we all know better than that.”

    This follows another Republican Senator, Bob Corker, calling out Donald for his terrible leadership and bringing back his "adult day care center" criticism.

    I wonder if the dam is beginning to break and wouldn't be surprised if more and more Republican Senators begin speaking out against Donald's unhinged and erratic behavior. Democrats have been calling him dangerous since day one, but now it seems like more and more Republicans are starting to realize the deal they made with the devil might not have been that good of a deal after all.

  • Strongly Liberal
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    People are beginning to experience a national anxiety syndrome. The constant scandal and outrage every week it's something new. Threatening war with NK who is threatening us , the people , with his nukes. We aren't his enemy. We are just people. We aren't supposed to be threatened.

    I still believe we are experiencing an attempted coup de etat. Yesterday, Putin issued some kind of thing against a press writer and the fat idiot echoed the move . He works for Putin. They are working to destroy our government , the Republicans now are fully aware of the situation. Some , are standing up and saying we have a problem. Most , though are focused on tax cuts for billionaires.

    We have a criminal occupying our executive office , hell bent on destroying the government .

  • Center Left
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    I just watched the speech on another site.

    It was well said. I would love for him to join

    Our side.

    Plus what Maindawg said.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    Arizona Senator Jeff Flake, a member of Donald's party, announced he was fed up with the direction of the country under Donald's leadership and is going to retire after only one term. He never uttered Donald's name, but who he was talking about was unmistakable.

    Thanks for the link. It is a impressive speech. The media on the left characterize it as heroic speech that will put into the history books. Hannity, fox news, and trump are telling trump's base Jeff Flake is a traitor, coward, quieter, looser, etc and 200 years ago he would be hanged for treason. Polar oppose perspectives of the same speech.

    Interesting use of terms "Donald's party". I take that to mean "trump's base" because traditional republicans consider trump to be a poser.

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    I'm not too optimistic; there are still plenty of Senators who stick with Trump; thus unless Mueller wakes up, nothing will change that much. But yeah even if Trump gets kicked out, we get asshole Pence, which is absolutely as bad or worse. So regardless of Flake's well written speech, this Titanic did not change course. Some "rats" are jumping of the ship but the Captain steers this ship straight to the iceberg.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: I'm not too optimistic; there are still plenty of Senators who stick with Trump; thus unless Mueller wakes up, nothing will change that much. But yeah even if Trump gets kicked out, we get asshole Pence, which is absolutely as bad or worse. So regardless of Flake's well written speech, this Titanic did not change course. Some "rats" are jumping of the ship but the Captain steers this ship straight to the iceberg.
    I must have been day dreaming, I dreamt that there was a very large GOP revolt and the emperor not only didn't have any clothes, but he was on an island all by himself. Then you came along and posted this, thanks a lot Dutch.
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    Dockadams Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: I'm not too optimistic; there are still plenty of Senators who stick with Trump; thus unless Mueller wakes up, nothing will change that much. But yeah even if Trump gets kicked out, we get asshole Pence, which is absolutely as bad or worse. So regardless of Flake's well written speech, this Titanic did not change course. Some "rats" are jumping of the ship but the Captain steers this ship straight to the iceberg.
    I must have been day dreaming, I dreamt that there was a very large GOP revolt and the emperor not only didn't have any clothes, but he was on an island all by himself. Then you came along and posted this, thanks a lot Dutch.
    Sorry to spoil your day; hope you have a life jacket as well shark deterrent and don't forget your ducky.
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    wwjd Wrote: Interesting use of terms "Donald's party". I take that to mean "trump's base" because traditional republicans consider trump to be a poser.

    Those Republicans still voted for Donald. They can consider him to be a poser all they want, but they made the deal with the devil and now they are stuck with him.

    I'm definitely not trying to cast Flake in a super positive light. Hell, hours after his speech he voted to make it so people who get screwed over from unfair banking practices can't sue.

    After that vote I regretted writing this thread because I started to realize that he won't do what it takes to actually reign in Donald. He, Corker, McCain, Murkowski, and Collins have the ability to grind Donald's agenda to a screeching halt and hold him accountable for his behavior, but they are too chickenshit to do so.

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    Yes Jared. I sometimes wonder if this is theatrics. Republicans vote with their tribes 99 percent of the time. Sure McCain, Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski went against the tribe on TrumpCare, but for everything else Trump wants, Flake and Corker are there along with Collins and Murkowski. Only John Kennedy (Louisiana) and Lindsay Graham sided with the Democrats on the banking vote this time. It was 50 - 50 with Pence breaking the tying vote.

    I guess Kennedy and Graham were the sacrificial "no votes" this time letting Murkowski and Collins take a breather least they be labeled "too liberal".

    My cynical view on the Republican MO.

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    Yes, like the "idiot" said they had an "Love fest" with a standing ovation and cheers for him during the dinner meeting. They interviewed Immhof (senator) who was praising Trump all the way. My guess is as I predicted is that the about 46 senators totally have turned to become a "Trump Party". Also looking at the total "nutheads" who run for election against Flake and others, including the revolver cowboy (Moore) they are fanatic religious Trump supporters. Thus this "Trump Party" will become stronger instead of weaker. In other words the so called "cracks" are having the opposite effects.

    Therefore like I said the Titanic can't be saved.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    The GOP civil war is bigger than Trump, op-ed Washington Post

    washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/palom...

  • Center Left
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    2017 Political Typology was very interesting

    Thanks for sharing it.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    After that vote I regretted writing this thread because I started to realize that he won't do what it takes to actually reign in Donald. He, Corker, McCain, Murkowski, and Collins have the ability to grind Donald's agenda to a screeching halt and hold him accountable for his behavior, but they are too chickenshit to do so.

    What is your opinion\thoughts as to how long traditional republicans will silently support and tolerate trump?

    It is easy to predict trump will become more and more of a tyrant, over reaching his power and abusing it. Flake, McCain, etc have already had enough. How more extreme does trump need to go before more reaching a tipping point and his inevitable downfall just like all corrupt\paranoid leaders from Nixon to Hitler. In political terms, trump is a dead man walking, let just hope he does not take out 6 million people before politics at the highest level start to become healthy again.

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    wwjd Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    After that vote I regretted writing this thread because I started to realize that he won't do what it takes to actually reign in Donald. He, Corker, McCain, Murkowski, and Collins have the ability to grind Donald's agenda to a screeching halt and hold him accountable for his behavior, but they are too chickenshit to do so.

    What is your opinion\thoughts as to how long traditional republicans will silently support and tolerate trump?

    It is easy to predict trump will become more and more of a tyrant, over reaching his power and abusing it. Flake, McCain, etc have already had enough. How more extreme does trump need to go before more reaching a tipping point and his inevitable downfall just like all corrupt\paranoid leaders from Nixon to Hitler. In political terms, trump is a dead man walking, let just hope he does not take out 6 million people before politics at the highest level start to become healthy again.

    I'm not Jared but I will say this, I think there are some GOP secessionists but they're probably too afraid to come forth. You can probably hear the crickets in the background when Trump opens his big mouth or tweets something. I think Trump probably could shoot someone in NYC and nobody would bat an eye.
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    wwjd Wrote: What is your opinion\thoughts as to how long traditional republicans will silently support and tolerate trump?

    I honestly have no idea what it would take for mainstream Republicans to stop enabling Donald.

    The Mueller investigation could find concrete evidence that Donald personally colluded with Russian authorities to tip the election and Donald would still have plenty of supporters on Capitol Hill who are willing to protect him from being removed from office. Most Republicans care about one thing - being in power.

    Maybe they will jump ship if Democrats retake Congress, but that's a long shot because the Senate map is abysmal for Democrats in 2018 and the House is so gerrymandered that Republicans will almost certainly retain control.

    Now, a lot can happen between now and 2020, but I just don't see Republicans jumping ship. Even the ones that have sharply criticized Donald still vote with him 99.9% of the time. They are also showing zero willingness to investigate his business practices or emoluments from foreign governments and businessmen.

    The most likely scenario I see is absolutely nothing happening. I don't see enough Republicans jumping ship and moving to reign in Donald. I don't see, even if Democrats retake Congress in 2018, impeachment proceedings being successful because it's extremely difficult to actually remove a President from office. I don't see any other scenario than Donald serving out his full four year term and I can definitely see him being reelected because our outdated voting system continues to allow the minority to overrule the will of the majority.