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Trump's Isolationist Policy

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  • Democrat
    Julian, CA
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    As a dyed in the wool isolationist heeding the founding fathers wise advise to avoid foreign entanglements I must conclude that Trump is doing his bizarre best to isolate America from every other nation on earth no matter their ideology they hold except for war criminal countries like Israel and the Saudis.

    I am sure by now that it has occurred to the other leaders of other countries that the US Government is no longer a Republic and has become a war mongering , lawless, corrupt, criminally dysfunctional Oligarchy devoid of values, principles and honesty.

    The truth is the world's nations will be better off without the influence of this soulless, evil Oligarchy.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Portland, OR
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    I hate the words "Founding Fathers" because people have somehow convinced themselves that the men who drew up the Constitution were a monolith. Some "Fathers" were isolationists while others were not. Some "Fathers" loved slavery while others didn't. And some "Fathers" wanted to give more than white land owners the right to vote while others didn't.


    Regardless of your original fallacy, I don't really understand what the point of your thread is.

    You're a "dyed in the wool isolationist", but are upset that Donald is "doing his bizarre best to isolate America from every other nation on earth"? Can you see how you literally contradicted yourself in the opening sentence?

    I also don't know if you understand the definition of republic, democracy, or oligarchy. Do you honestly think an oligarchy would want Donald to be our leader? Do you honestly think that your local and state governments aren't duly elected by the people who got off their ass and actually voted? Just because people are too lazy to vote in this country doesn't mean there's a secret cabal pulling all the strings.

    As former Speaker O'Neill famously said - "All politics is local."

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Jared; I wished it was all that simple; it is not. Read my threads about why the system is broken. You get isolation if a country has problems with itself; then there is no incentive to look outwards and deal with others because we (don't) know it all.

    Right now the whole world is following what is going on here; in the Dutch news there was an detailed report about Trumps behavior related to the Niger disaster and how Trump dealt with it related to the widow of the fallen soldier. Times have changed Jared; the whole world is following in detail what is happening here. Those countries who always looked up to the US have changed their opinion drastically, which adds to the isolation of the US in the world. China has taken over that role.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Portland, OR
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    Dutch Wrote: Jared; I wished it was all that simple; it is not. Read my threads about why the system is broken. You get isolation if a country has problems with itself; then there is no incentive to look outwards and deal with others because we (don't) know it all.

    Yes, it is that simple.

    There is no oligarchy pulling the strings. We are not living in a fascist dictatorship. We are still a republic made up of local, state, and federal governments that are chosen by the people who get off their ass and vote.

    Do I hate the electoral college? Hell yes I do. Do I find it infuriating that Senators from states that have a few hundred thousand people are just as powerful as Senators from states that have 30 million? Absolutely. Do I want a fairer redistricting system that doesn't thwart the will of the American people? Darn tootin'. But that doesn't mean we are living in some post apocalyptic dystopia; it simply means that governing a nation of 330 million people can be messy.

    We have plenty of problems. I've never claimed we don't, but you lose me when words like fascism, dictator, oligarchy, and robber baron are thrown around willy-nilly.

    Dutch Wrote: Right now the whole world is following what is going on here; in the Dutch news there was an detailed report about Trumps behavior related to the Niger disaster and how Trump dealt with it related to the widow of the fallen soldier. Times have changed Jared; the whole world is following in detail what is happening here. Those countries who always looked up to the US have changed their opinion drastically, which adds to the isolation of the US in the world. China has taken over that role.

    Times are always changing.

    I fully understand that the the world is viewing what's going on in our country with a sense of shock and horror. They watch our narcissistic sociopath of a President spew hatred day in and day out and are rightfully justified to be concerned. Donald's Presidency may irreparably damage relations between us and much of the world. I'm aware of all of this, but I also understand that there is literally nothing I can do about it because Bernie or busters decided this monster was a better choice than Hillary Clinton.

    That's why I comfort myself in the "all politics is local" philosophy during this time because that's the only thing that can keep me sane. People need to turn off CNN, MSNBC, or heaven forbid Fox "News" and subscribe to their local paper and get a better understanding of what their local and state governments are doing because those people are the ones who are passing laws that will affect them a hell of a lot more than the vast majority of Federal laws passed.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Jared; I wished it was all that simple; it is not. Read my threads about why the system is broken. You get isolation if a country has problems with itself; then there is no incentive to look outwards and deal with others because we (don't) know it all.

    Yes, it is that simple.

    There is no oligarchy pulling the strings. We are not living in a fascist dictatorship. We are still a republic made up of local, state, and federal governments that are chosen by the people who get off their ass and vote.

    Do I hate the electoral college? Hell yes I do. Do I find it infuriating that Senators from states that have a few hundred thousand people are just as powerful as Senators from states that have 30 million? Absolutely. Do I want a fairer redistricting system that doesn't thwart the will of the American people? Darn tootin'. But that doesn't mean we are living in some post apocalyptic dystopia; it simply means that governing a nation of 330 million people can be messy.

    We have plenty of problems. I've never claimed we don't, but you lose me when words like fascism, dictator, oligarchy, and robber baron are thrown around willy-nilly.

    Dutch Wrote: Right now the whole world is following what is going on here; in the Dutch news there was an detailed report about Trumps behavior related to the Niger disaster and how Trump dealt with it related to the widow of the fallen soldier. Times have changed Jared; the whole world is following in detail what is happening here. Those countries who always looked up to the US have changed their opinion drastically, which adds to the isolation of the US in the world. China has taken over that role.

    Times are always changing.

    I fully understand that the the world is viewing what's going on in our country with a sense of shock and horror. They watch our narcissistic sociopath of a President spew hatred day in and day out and are rightfully justified to be concerned. Donald's Presidency may irreparably damage relations between us and much of the world. I'm aware of all of this, but I also understand that there is literally nothing I can do about it because Bernie or busters decided this monster was a better choice than Hillary Clinton.

    That's why I comfort myself in the "all politics is local" philosophy during this time because that's the only thing that can keep me sane. People need to turn off CNN, MSNBC, or heaven forbid Fox "News" and subscribe to their local paper and get a better understanding of what their local and state governments are doing because those people are the ones who are passing laws that will affect them a hell of a lot more than the vast majority of Federal laws passed.

    So you've also become an "isolationist" by just sticking to your area; may be Trump can built a wall around Oregon as well? Ha Ha.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: So you've also become an "isolationist" by just sticking to your area; may be Trump can built a wall around Oregon as well? Ha Ha.

    Most people aren't nomads who randomly roam from town to town because most people call one town "home" even if they have properties in different states or countries.

    Would you call yourself an isolationist because you own a home in Florida? Of course you don't because that would be silly.

    The point I was trying to make in my earlier threads is that politics are local. The vast majority of laws are passed at the local and state levels. That's just a fact.

    If we are an oligarchy run by a fascist dictator and robber barons then don't you think the dictator and robber barons would force all states and localities to bend to their will? Why do the fascist dictator and robber barons allow California to legislate one way and Texas another? How can you not see the fallacy in Connie's (oft repeated) arguments?

    Anger is fine and even justified in the Donald era, but try to keep your anger rational. Falling prey to wild conspiracy theories about robber barons and fascist dictatorships only makes you look silly. It also makes it impossible to have a debate based on logic and reason.