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  • Schmidt
    2017-10-16 08:13:04 AM
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    MSN News, Business Insider: Trump privately predicting he'll appoint four Supreme Court justices

    We have talked about this before in other threads, but this is really what gets the Republican base to vote in huge numbers, especially the evangelicals. No single group can top them for voter turn-out. I predict 90 percent plus turn-out for evangelicals along with a very sizable component of Catholics. Look for Trump to dangle this big carrot in front of Republican voters again and again before the 2018 midterm and 2020 elections. Republicans will be salivating like Pavlovian dogs as they go to the polls and vote.

    Democrats on the other hand will be split with the idealistic far left "Bernie, Bernie, Bernie" candidates of the Our Revolution nominees offering free stuff, and the centrist left candidates offering a "Hillary type" common sense agenda. Voters will be turned off by the in-fighting and especially turning off Independent voters.

    I think Trump's prediction has a 50-50 chance of coming true. For the record, this is reality:

    Ruth Bader Ginsberg, born March 1933. Currently 84 years old.

    Anthony Kennedy, born July 1936. Currently 81 years old.

    Stephen Breyer, born August 1938. Currently 79 years old.

    Elections have consequences that go well beyond the feel good emotional day of protest in the voting booth (or protest by not voting). In the case of Neil Gorsuch, who was born on August 29, 1967 and just turned 50, we can expect perhaps another 30-35 years of Gorsuch like opinions on matters related to abortions and LGBTQ rights, not to mention guns, voting rights, districting, affirmative action, corporations, and much more.

    Can you imagine three more Gorsuch look-a-likes on the Supreme Court to keep voting company with John Roberts, born January 1955 (age 63) Clarence Thomas, born June 1948 (age 69), and Samuel Alito, born April 1950 (age 67). It is conceivable that the decade of 2020 - 2030 could be a game changing renaissance of 6-3 votes for the Christian conservative movement even if the Democrats can manage to take back Congress, the presidency, state legislatures and governorships. Any laws Democrats pass will be challenged in the courts and ultimately reach the Gorsuch like Supreme Court.

    This was my worst nightmare before the November 2016 election and it's a real headache now...the prospect of America becoming a Christian caliphate of sorts. But Dems caught up in their own ideological bickering just don't seem to get it.

    When I was registering voters, I was appalled at the ignorance shown of our government and it's three branches. My bet is that if you asked the person on the street who any of the Supreme Court justices are or their judicial philosophies you would get a lot of blank stares. This issue just doesn't register with so many low-information voters.

    My opinion subject as usual to derision...

  • Dutch
    2017-10-16 08:25:01 AM
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    Yes Schmidt; you've got it right; better buy a stack of "Bibles" and donate all your money to the preachers with the biggest yachts and villa's. That will save this country from totally disappearing into the swamp. What a country; that is what you get if you appoint people for life; totally brainless.
  • Schmidt
    2017-10-16 08:41:02 AM
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    Dutch -- Your response was predictable. It hurts. It bites. My wishful thinking, however, is that we can make the Supreme Court justices as a top political issue for the 2018 Senate races and get Dems to turn out and vote. However, it might have just the opposite effect: energize the Republican Christian base.
  • Schmidt
    2017-10-16 08:58:45 AM
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    NPR: Trump To Values Voters: In America 'We Don't Worship Government, We Worship God'

    "President Trump spoke to one of the most faithful blocs of his base on Friday, telling attendees of this year's Values Voter Summit that in America "we don't worship government, we worship God."

    "We know that it's the family and the church — not government officials — who know best how to create strong and loving communities," Trump said.

    "He got a standing ovation when he talked of appointing Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court.

    Trump reminded the group that he signed a religious liberty order on the National Day of Prayer that made it easier for churches to engage in political activity. He also got applause when he reminded them that he weakened the contraception mandate in the Affordable Care Act. Oh and then there's being allowed to say "Merry Christmas" again. More cheering.

    "In protecting America's interests abroad, we will always support our cherished friend and partner the state of Israel."

    "We are stopping cold the attacks on Judeo-Christian values," Trump said to more applause.

    This is how Trump gets out the vote of his base. If it's not a Christian group like this it will be the NRA next. Trump will be cheered like a messiah. It works.

  • Dockadams
    2017-10-16 12:12:02 PM
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    It's a good thing that chief justices cannot be fired, if they could, Trump would have already done that and appointed Bannon types.
  • jaredsxtn
    2017-10-16 02:24:06 PM
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    Schmidt Wrote: Democrats on the other hand will be split with the idealistic far left "Bernie, Bernie, Bernie" candidates of the Our Revolution nominees offering free stuff, and the centrist left candidates offering a "Hillary type" common sense agenda. Voters will be turned off by the in-fighting and especially turning off Independent voters.

    I think Trump's prediction has a 50-50 chance of coming true. For the record, this is reality:

    This is what I worry about more than anything else. Bernie or Busters are more than willing to blow everything up and then immediately absolve themselves of any blame whatsoever. They did it in 2016 and I have a strong feeling they are going to do it in 2018 and 2020.

    I can totally see their purity tests and "my way or the highway" mentality sinking us in 2018 and handing Donald another four year term in 2020. And if that happens then yes, I can absolutely see Donald appointing 4 Neil Gorsuchesque Justices that will usher in an overwhelming far right conservative majority on the court for decades to come.

    What's so sad! is that Bernie or Busters will somehow find a way to blame centrist, rationally thinking Democrats for everything. They really do have no shame.

  • Dutch
    2017-10-16 02:56:37 PM
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote: Democrats on the other hand will be split with the idealistic far left "Bernie, Bernie, Bernie" candidates of the Our Revolution nominees offering free stuff, and the centrist left candidates offering a "Hillary type" common sense agenda. Voters will be turned off by the in-fighting and especially turning off Independent voters.

    I think Trump's prediction has a 50-50 chance of coming true. For the record, this is reality:

    This is what I worry about more than anything else. Bernie or Busters are more than willing to blow everything up and then immediately absolve themselves of any blame whatsoever. They did it in 2016 and I have a strong feeling they are going to do it in 2018 and 2020.

    I can totally see their purity tests and "my way or the highway" mentality sinking us in 2018 and handing Donald another four year term in 2020. And if that happens then yes, I can absolutely see Donald appointing 4 Neil Gorsuchesque Justices that will usher in an overwhelming far right conservative majority on the court for decades to come.

    What's so sad! is that Bernie or Busters will somehow find a way to blame centrist, rationally thinking Democrats for everything. They really do have no shame.

    Sorry; it is the system here which is at fault; regardless of who you elect they all are stuck with the idiot system here.

    Common sense is lost in the US: get rid of the "lobby" system; get rid of billions of money injected by super PAC's in elections; do "vet" people for important positions; create laws which fit 2o17 not 1800's laws and interprete those with zillions of lawyers who make a buck of it. It is not Bernie or Hillary or even Trump; they all loose because of an system which only caters to "capitalism" and "greed". On top of that as Schmidt wrote that you have the "religeous" nutheads who throw an wrench into the already broken system. As I said in another thread look at the whole picture here; all of it is an accumilation of 300 years of mistakes upon mistakes; so it is no longer an coherent good working system.

    Thus forget Bernie or Jill Stein etc. they are not responsible for the system. They only use it but also get screwed by it.


  • Chet Ruminski
    2017-10-16 03:17:37 PM
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    "What's so sad! is that Bernie or Busters will somehow find a way to blame centrist, rationally thinking Democrats for everything. They really do have no shame."

    Why not establish a sense of cooperation instead of an adversarial attitude. Certainly have to have more in common with the left side of the middle than the right side of the middle. United We Stand is a meaningful message. Adroit politicians in both camps could produce unity and take over government. But nothing can be done by advertising disunity and self interest.

  • jaredsxtn
    2017-10-16 03:27:52 PM
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    "What's so sad! is that Bernie or Busters will somehow find a way to blame centrist, rationally thinking Democrats for everything. They really do have no shame."

    Why not establish a sense of cooperation instead of an adversarial attitude. Certainly have to have more in common with the left side of the middle than the right side of the middle. United We Stand is a meaningful message. Adroit politicians in both camps could produce unity and take over government. But nothing can be done by advertising disunity and self interest.

    Why not look in the mirror when you say that? Bernie or busters don't care about "united we stand;" they care about "my way or the highway" and boy did they prove that last November.

    They are why Donald now has the potential to reshape the Supreme Court not just for the rest of your life, but for the rest of mine as well. I hope that ideological purity was worth it for all of you!

  • wwjd
    2017-10-17 05:25:30 AM
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    [commercial beak from The Love\Hate Bernie Sanders show]

    All the justices will make an effort to wait trump out.

    While any of the justices may be forced to return for health reasons, I don't think a single one of them wants trump make any further nomminations. We may disagree with many of their rulings, but they are sane\rational individuals. They don't want the supreme court to have someone who is a trump\bannon wacko.

    trump Nominee: Yes every person has the right to own nuclear weapons. Why not?

    trump Nominee: Of course women who have abortions should be subject to death penalty

    If trump could, he would nominate himself... I am not joking. He would if he could.

    [now back to The Love\Hate Bernie Sanders show]

    ... don't get me wrong, I very much am entertained by it. We could be start a topic on Mother Teresa, and somehow Bernie Sanders would become the center point of the discussion. :)

  • Schmidt
    2017-10-17 08:57:52 AM
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    wwjd -- Yes many of our threads invariably get sidetracked onto Bernie or Hillary and I plead guilty of that. So getting back on topic - that Trump predicts he will appoint four Supreme Court nominees -- there is a method to his madness.

    1) He needs to keep his varied base energized until the next elections. He does that by telling each of them exactly what they want to hear again and again. He makes promises that he has no idea on how to deliver (the con artist) and he lavishes each with lavish praise. His favorite adjectives: terrific, unbelievable, amazing, incredible and a few "very, verys" and "really, reallys" thrown in for added effect. "Believe me".

    2) He demonizes any person or organization that says anything bad about him. It also tells his base to not believe the "fake news".

    3) He hogs the news cycle with tweets that are meant to sensationalize the story. MSNBC and CNN are obsessed with his tweets and give them full coverage, just like in the election coverage.

    4) He finds things to divide us by twisting the message. The NFL protests are just one example of how he seeks to divide us.

    5) Focusing on the low information voter, he shifts blame when things don't work out and claims responsibility when there is good news.

    Ultimately his goal is to have his conglomeration of base supporters to vote in huge numbers, while the rest of Republican establishment predictably will vote with their tribes, and the Democrats will remain as divided as ever protesting by not voting or voting for a 3rd party candidate or in some cases voting for Trump...again. It worked in 2016. It's the same formula for 2018 and 2020.

    The Russian thing could slow or stop him, but Mike Pence is waiting to carry the baton forward.

    When Roe v Wade is overturned by the Supreme Court and abortion is outlawed, Democrats will whine and protest in the streets. They'll ask how did this happen? And blame each other.

  • wwjd
    2017-10-17 05:38:37 PM
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    Schmidt, I can see it playing out that way if, like during the election, the majority of voters on both side assume trump will easily be beat by whomever he faces. IMHO, trump got elected not because of any single reason, or one anti-candidate, but because of a perfect storm of factors. Some factors had a bigger impact, but remove 1-2 of them, and Clinton gets elected. I would argue that if Republications voters truely felt trump had a serious chance of winning, enough of them would have voted for Clinton to put her over the top.

    Perspective#1: If we listen\believe the hardcore supporters of trump\Bannon, they believe this is a massive movement (think the 60's liberal and civil rights movement) that will end with them taking full control of national politics, the republication party that existed prior to trump will be destroyed. Democrats will become powerless much like the Germans and Japaneses after they surrendered. trump will become a national hero in the pages of history. His tweets will become a book that people worship like the bible. This is the vision of Bannon and the base's perception of the final outcome of trump's presidency.

    Perspective#2: What we are experiencing is pop culture expanding into politics. Politics has become daily entertainment. For trump, it is about keeping his ratings high, not about what he gets done. If his numbers start top drop in terms of entertainment value (love or hate him), he will become even more outrageous, pushing the bar even lower. Maybe he'll fuck two 18 year old interns at the same time, and try to cover it up simply because its good for his ratings. Who knows what he'll do next other than it will entergize his base and tick off a majority of Americans. However, with everything pop culture, popularity is temporary and the public starts to peal off quickly in favor of something else that is new\different. Nearly every hit TV show has a peak, and then declines to cancellation. The few exceptions are long running low rated shows and shows that stop production while still extremely popular. In this perspective, trump is a one-hit-wonder that is either forced out of office or he quits before he is forced out of office, and the movement fades away to be nothing more than pop culture history, only leaving behind the damage done by trump actions or lack of action.

  • TJ
    2017-10-17 06:13:38 PM
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    Cowards all of them !!!!!!!!!! NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, and MSNBC should discuss comparative accountability. At this point.... No president has ever. His failures and lack of any achievement should be news time banter. There should be more feeling a sense of morbid curiosity at the incomplete ranks in his hires and the lack of any achievement at all 10 months in. A strong media wouldn't cower but would challenge the office with higher expectations.

    Won't happen but it should.

  • wwjd
    2017-10-18 06:49:35 AM
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    TJ Wrote:

    Cowards all of them !!!!!!!!!! NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, and MSNBC should discuss comparative accountability. At this point.... No president has ever. His failures and lack of any achievement should be news time banter. There should be more feeling a sense of morbid curiosity at the incomplete ranks in his hires and the lack of any achievement at all 10 months in. A strong media wouldn't cower but would challenge the office with higher expectations.

    Won't happen but it should.


    How is the media cowering? Example?

  • Dockadams
    2017-10-18 07:40:16 AM
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    The media has been reporting Trump's, as well as the GOP's failures to legislate on a daily basis, everywhere, NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, all of them, well, except maybe FOX. FOX won't report anything detrimental to the GOP or Trump, that media outlet loves them.
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